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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Maarten Lankhorst <m.b.lankhorst@gmail.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	"Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, melwyn lobo <linux.melwyn@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: x86 memcpy performance
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:35:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110908083551.GA5646@liondog.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz1RRY6KcqVVZ9tBH7PDXfBwkZ1AhJcSHPABLXMkNJCOA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:18:32AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Maarten Lankhorst
> <m.b.lankhorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This work intrigued me, in some cases kernel memcpy was a lot faster than sse memcpy,
> > and I finally figured out why. I also extended the test to an optimized avx memcpy,
> > but I think the kernel memcpy will always win in the aligned case.
> 
> "rep movs" is generally optimized in microcode on most modern Intel
> CPU's for some easyish cases, and it will outperform just about
> anything.
> 
> Atom is a notable exception, but if you expect performance on any
> general loads from Atom, you need to get your head examined. Atom is a
> disaster for anything but tuned loops.
> 
> The "easyish cases" depend on microarchitecture. They are improving,
> so long-term "rep movs" is the best way regardless, but for most
> current ones it's something like "source aligned to 8 bytes *and*
> source and destination are equal "mod 64"".
> 
> And that's true in a lot of common situations. It's true for the page
> copy, for example, and it's often true for big user "read()/write()"
> calls (but "often" may not be "often enough" - high-performance
> userland should strive to align read/write buffers to 64 bytes, for
> example).
> 
> Many other cases of "memcpy()" are the fairly small, constant-sized
> ones, where the optimal strategy tends to be "move words by hand".

Yeah,

this probably makes enabling SSE memcpy in the kernel a task
with diminishing returns. There are also the additional costs of
saving/restoring FPU context in the kernel which eat off from any SSE
speedup.

And then there's the additional I$ pressure because "rep movs" is
much smaller than all those mov[au]ps stanzas. Btw, mov[au]ps are the
smallest (two-byte) instructions I could use - in the AVX case they can
get up to 4 Bytes of length with the VEX prefix and the additional SIB,
size override, etc. fields.

Oh, and then there's copy_*_user which also does fault handling and
replacing that with a SSE version of memcpy could get quite hairy quite
fast.

Anyway, I'll try to benchmark an asm version of SSE memcpy in the kernel
when I get the time to see whether it still makes sense, at all.

Thanks.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-08  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-12 17:59 melwyn lobo
2011-08-12 18:33 ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-12 19:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-08-14  9:59   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-14 11:13     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-14 12:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-15 13:27         ` melwyn lobo
2011-08-15 13:44         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-08-16  2:34     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-08-16 12:16       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-09-01 15:15         ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-09-01 16:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-09-08  8:35             ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2011-09-08 10:58               ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-09-09  8:14                 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-09-09 10:12                   ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-09-09 11:23                     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-09-09 13:42                       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-09-09 14:39                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-09-09 15:35                     ` Borislav Petkov
2011-12-05 12:20                       ` melwyn lobo
2011-12-05 12:54           ` melwyn lobo
2011-12-05 14:36             ` Alan Cox
2011-08-15 14:55 Borislav Petkov
2011-08-15 14:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2011-08-15 15:29   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-15 15:36     ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-15 16:12       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-15 17:04         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-15 18:49           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-15 19:11             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-15 20:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-15 20:08                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-15 16:12       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-15 16:58         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-15 18:26           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-15 18:35             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-15 18:52               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-16  7:19 ` melwyn lobo
2011-08-16  7:43   ` Borislav Petkov

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