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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com>,
	Andrei Warkentin <awarkentin@vmware.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Dilan Lee <dilee@nvidia.com>,
	"G, Manjunath Kondaiah" <manjugk@ti.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Manjunath@jasper.es, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Linux PM List <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] drivercore: Add driver probe deferral mechanism
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:28:27 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111013182827.GL18574@ponder.secretlab.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1110131413410.2026-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 02:16:42PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Grant Likely wrote:
> 
> > For the deferred case; here is an example of the additional
> > constraint.  Consider the following hierarchy:
> > 
> > -A
> >  +-B
> >  | +-C
> >  | +-D
> >  |
> >  +-E
> >    +-F
> >    +-G
> > 
> > dpm_list could be ordered in at least the following ways (depending on
> > exactly when devices get registered).  There are many permutation, but
> > children are always be listed after its direct parent.
> > 
> > 1) ABECDFG (breadth first)
> > 2) AEBFGCD (breadth first)
> > 3) ABCDEFG (depth first)
> > 4) AEFGBCD (depth first)
> > 
> > Now, assume that device B depends on device F, and also assume that
> > there is no way either to express that in the hierarchy or even for
> > the constraint to be known at device registration time (the is exactly
> > the situation we're dealing with on embedded platforms).  Only the
> > driver for B knows that it needs a resource provided by F's driver.
> > So, the situation becomes that the ordering of dpm_list must now also
> > be sorted so that non-tree dependencies are also accounted for.  Of
> > the list above, only sort order 4 meets the new constraint.
> > 
> > The question then becomes, how can the dpm_list get resorted
> > dynamically at runtime to ensure that the new constraints are always
> > met without breaking old ones.  Here are some options I can think of:
> 
> This was a long message and I haven't absorbed the whole thing.  

heh; I did get rather verbose there.

> However it's worth pointing out right at the start that we already have
> device_pm_move_before(), device_pm_move_after(), and
> device_pm_move_last().  They are intended specifically to provide
> drivers with a way of making sure that dpm_list is in the right order 
> -- people have been aware of these issues for some time.

I saw those.  I also notice that they are only used by device_move()
when reparenting a device (which is another wrinkle I hadn't though
about).  Reparenting a device becomes problematic if the probe order
is also represented in the list.  If device_move() gets called, then
any implicit probe-order sorting for that device would be lost.

I also notice that device_move disregards any children when moving a
device, which could also be a problem.

Although it looks like the only users of device_move are:

drivers/media/video/pvrusb2/pvrusb2-v4l2.c
drivers/s390/cio/device.c
net/bluetooth/hci_sysfs.c
net/bluetooth/rfcomm/tty.c

So it may not be significant to adapt.

g.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-13 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-07  5:33 [PATCH 0/5] Driver Probe Deferral Mechanism G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07  5:33 ` [PATCH 1/5] drivercore: add new error value for deferred probe G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07  6:43   ` Greg KH
2011-10-07 10:00     ` Mark Brown
2011-10-07 22:12     ` Grant Likely
2011-10-07 23:28       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08  0:12         ` Greg KH
2011-10-09 22:59           ` Grant Likely
2011-10-10  1:06             ` Greg KH
2011-10-12  6:18               ` G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-13  4:10                 ` Grant Likely
2011-10-07  5:33 ` [PATCH 2/5] drivercore: Add driver probe deferral mechanism G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07  6:49   ` Greg KH
2011-10-07 20:57     ` Josh Triplett
2011-10-07 21:23       ` Greg KH
2011-10-08  4:03         ` Josh Triplett
2011-10-08 15:55           ` Greg KH
2011-10-08 18:18             ` Josh Triplett
2011-10-10 17:37             ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-10-11 12:29               ` Ming Lei
2011-10-13  4:09                 ` Grant Likely
2011-10-13 14:18                   ` Ming Lei
2011-10-13 14:31                     ` Alan Stern
2011-10-13 15:21                       ` Ming Lei
2011-10-13 16:04                         ` Alan Stern
2011-10-14  0:13                           ` Ming Lei
2011-10-13 17:15                       ` Grant Likely
2011-10-13 18:16                         ` Alan Stern
2011-10-13 18:28                           ` Grant Likely [this message]
2011-10-14 15:39                             ` Alan Stern
2011-10-14 16:17                               ` Grant Likely
2011-10-14 16:33                                 ` Alan Stern
2011-10-14 17:20                                   ` Grant Likely
2011-10-14 17:33                                     ` Alan Stern
2011-10-14 18:25                                       ` Grant Likely
2011-10-14 18:39                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-10-14 19:07                                           ` Grant Likely
2011-10-14 18:56                                     ` David Daney
2011-10-14 19:03                                       ` Grant Likely
2011-10-14 19:09                                         ` David Daney
2011-10-14 15:37                         ` Alan Stern
2011-10-12  7:04               ` G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07 21:28     ` Grant Likely
2011-10-07  5:33 ` [PATCH 3/5] regulator: Support driver probe deferral G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07  5:33 ` [PATCH 4/5] gpiolib: handle deferral probe error G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07 10:06   ` Alan Cox
2011-10-07 22:09     ` Grant Likely
2011-10-12  6:14       ` G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-13  4:12         ` Grant Likely
2011-10-07  5:33 ` [PATCH 5/5] omap: hsmmc: use platform_driver_register G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07  6:50 ` [PATCH 0/5] Driver Probe Deferral Mechanism Greg KH
2011-10-07  7:37   ` G, Manjunath Kondaiah
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-07  5:05 G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-10-07  5:05 ` [PATCH 2/5] drivercore: Add driver probe deferral mechanism G, Manjunath Kondaiah

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