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From: Max Kellermann <max@duempel.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] new cgroup controller "fork"
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:51:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111103185108.GA5153@Debian-60-squeeze-64-minimal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111103182101.5037c1e5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On 2011/11/03 19:21, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> > After little discussion, nobody seemed to be interested in it, and
> > nobody merged it.  I reposted it today, not knowing somebody else had
> > come up with a similar idea meanwhile.
> 
> I don't really see a meaningful use case for this. Why should millions of
> users have this stuff in their kernel. What's the general purpose use
> case we should all be excited about ?

Putting a reasonable limit on jobs that are expected to run only for a
limited amount of time, with a limited amount of total resources.  For
example: CGI, cron jobs, backup, munin plugins, virus scanners and
other email filters, procmail, ... - when the job is done, the group
can be deleted, and new instances will run in a new group.

With just RLIMIT_NPROC or task_counter, you can limit the total number
of processes, but it will not stop a fork bomb - it will only slow it
down.  The fork bomb will still bounce between 1 and the limit, and
consume lots of resources for forking and exiting.

(Glauber: the above should answer your last email, too)

Similar existing feature: RLIMIT_CPU.  Millions of users have it in
their kernels, but nobody uses it nowadays.  And it's not even
optional.

Btw. I have no problem with maintaining this patch (and a whole bunch
of others) in my proprietary git repository at work forever.  They're
very useful for my employer.  I'm just trying to be a good citizen by
sharing them.

Max

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-03 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-03 16:22 Max Kellermann
2011-11-03 16:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-11-03 17:16   ` Max Kellermann
2011-11-03 17:26     ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-03 17:48       ` Max Kellermann
2011-11-03 17:50         ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-03 18:30           ` Max Kellermann
2011-11-03 18:34             ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-03 16:43 ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-03 16:59   ` Max Kellermann
2011-11-03 17:05     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-11-03 18:21     ` Alan Cox
2011-11-03 18:51       ` Max Kellermann [this message]
2011-11-03 18:56         ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-03 20:08           ` Matt Helsley
2011-11-03 19:03         ` Alan Cox
2011-11-03 19:20           ` Max Kellermann
2011-11-03 19:25             ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-03 20:13               ` Brian K. White
2011-11-03 21:54                 ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-04  3:03                   ` Li Zefan
2011-11-04  4:37                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-11-04 13:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2011-11-04 13:38                       ` Max Kellermann
2011-11-04 13:59                     ` Lennart Poettering
2011-11-03 17:31 ` richard -rw- weinberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-02-17 13:31 Max Kellermann
2011-02-17 13:50 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-02-17 14:09   ` Max Kellermann
2011-02-18  0:59 ` Paul Menage
2011-02-18  9:26   ` Max Kellermann

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