From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753518Ab2ABXuk (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:50:40 -0500 Received: from lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk ([81.2.110.251]:39964 "EHLO lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753302Ab2ABXuj (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:50:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:50:44 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Jack Stone , Alan Stern , Oliver Neukum , Matthew Garrett , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel , Larry Finger , Chaoming Li , "John W. Linville" , Greg Kroah-Hartman , USB list , Linux Wireless List Subject: Re: loading firmware while usermodehelper disabled. Message-ID: <20120102235044.23935096@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4F02165C.1060400@fastmail.fm> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.8; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > So the only thing we need is to fix the braindamaged firmware > interfaces. We need caching, and we need to replace (or at least > extend) "load_firware()" with "[get|put]_firmware()". So at what moment after a resume does a firmware that was in use with a device go away and what do we do about devices inserted while suspended ? Remembering that - there is no moment when USB says 'we have finished re-enumeration'. There is no point at which you can say 'we have finished re-enumeration, we are now starting on enumeration of new stuff'. New stuff wanting firmware will pop up on resume mixed in with old stuff. - we don't seem to have any device or bus infrastructure for doing a 'post resume' purge of such data if we could decide when that moment is ? Alan