From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757337Ab2ARJ4e (ORCPT ); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:56:34 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:10606 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756308Ab2ARJ4c (ORCPT ); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:56:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:54:28 +0100 From: Andrew Jones To: David Rientjes Cc: Jerome Marchand , Arnd Bergmann , akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, david.woodhouse@intel.com, gregkh@suse.de, davem@davemloft.net, axboe@kernel.dk, holt@sgi.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux@arm.linux.org.uk, hskinnemoen@gmail.com, egtvedt@samfundet.no, msalter@redhat.com, a-jacquiot@ti.com, starvik@axis.com, jesper.nilsson@axis.com, dhowells@redhat.com, takata@linux-m32r.org, geert@linux-m68k.org, yasutake.koichi@jp.panasonic.com, jonas@southpole.se, kyle@mcmartin.ca, deller@gmx.de, jejb@parisc-linux.org, chris@zankel.net, greg@kroah.com, davej@redhat.com, airlied@linux.ie, jkosina@suse.cz, mchehab@infradead.org, johannes@sipsolutions.net, linville@tuxdriver.com Subject: Re: [PATCH] kconfig: untangle EXPERT and EMBEDDED Message-ID: <20120118095427.GD2317@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> References: <20120113085125.GA2452@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> <20120113122202.GB2452@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> <4F1442C5.70500@redhat.com> <20120117144644.GC3188@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> <20120118085620.GB2317@turtle.usersys.redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 01:31:30AM -0800, David Rientjes wrote: > CONFIG_EXPERT isn't an invitation to be able to configure everything in > the kernel. Correct. It definitely shouldn't. It actually shouldn't configure *ANYTHING* in the kernel. Stopping it from doing so is exactly what this patch does. It should only expose expert options, and it can expose *ALL* expert options, including EMBEDDED and FOOBAR options. Which defaults people want for those is not in the scope of this patch. However, using EMBEDDED to fix EXPERT is the best choice for precisely the reason you state > I think it's fine to break backwards compatibility for options that are > currently configurable for CONFIG_EXPERT when it only makes sense for > embedded systems and use CONFIG_EMBEDDED instead. They better already > have it enabled and my patch a year ago didn't break it for them. While EMBEDDED may not be appropriate for all those default changes now, EXPERT *CERTAINLY* isn't appropriate. Let's fix EXPERT now and then EMBEDDED later. Anybody who cared about those things was using EMBEDDED before, let them keep using it now.