From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Ubuntu security discussion <ubuntu-hardened@lists.ubuntu.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Add overflow protection to kref
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:45:15 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120216204515.GH20420@outflux.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEXv5_gkTsPHDFh+wQqD3P3D-Z+uCN-_1bVyHfHV=u7bS-tgeA@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
[This should probably be discussed on LKML for an even wider audience, so
I've added a CC for it there.]
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:02:13AM -0500, David Windsor wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are attempting to add various grsecurity/PAX features to upstream
> Ubuntu kernels.
This didn't parse quite right for me. I think you meant that the intent
is to get these features into the upstream Linux kernel, with potential
staging in Ubuntu kernels.
(Also s/PAX/PaX/g)
> The PAX folks added refcount overflow protection by inserting
> architecture-specific code in the increment paths of atomic_t. For
> instance:
>
> static inline void atomic_inc(atomic_t *v)
> {
> asm volatile(LOCK_PREFIX "incl %0\n"
>
> #ifdef CONFIG_PAX_REFCOUNT
> "jno 0f\n"
> LOCK_PREFIX "decl %0\n"
> "int $4\n0:\n"
> _ASM_EXTABLE(0b, 0b)
> #endif
>
> : "+m" (v->counter));
> }
>
> There are two distinct classes of users we need to consider here:
> those who use atomic_t for reference counters and those who use
> atomic_t for keeping track of statistics, like performance counters,
> etc.; it makes little sense to overflow a performance counter, so we
> shouldn't subject those users to the same protections as imposed on
> actual reference counters. The solution implemented by PAX is to
> create a family of *_unchecked() functions and to patch
> statistics-based users of atomic_t to use this interface.
>
> PAX refcount overflow protection was developed before kref was
> created. I'd like to move overflow protection out of atomic_t and
> into kref and gradually migrate atomic_t users to kref, leaving
> atomic_t for those users who don't need overflow protection (e.g.
> statistics-based counters).
For people new to this, can you give an overview of what attacks are foiled
by adding overflow protection?
> I realize that there are many users of atomic_t needing overflow
> protection, but the move to kref seems like the right thing to do in
> this case.
>
> Leaving the semantics of overflow detection aside for the moment, what
> are everyone's thoughts on adding overflow protection to kref rather
> than to atomic_t?
Why was kref introduced? Or rather, how is kref currently different from
atomic_t?
> Also, I cherrypicked the refcount protection feature directly from the
> PAX patch, with the original atomic_t protections in place, before
> considering kref. If anyone is interested, I can post that patch.
>
> Thanks,
> David Windsor
>
> --
> PGP: 6141 5FFD 11AE 9844 153E F268 7C98 7268 6B19 6CC9
Thanks for bringing this up!
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
ChromeOS Security
next parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-16 20:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2012-02-16 20:45 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2012-02-17 0:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-02-17 1:06 ` Kees Cook
2012-02-17 1:40 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 2:11 ` [ubuntu-hardened] " Kees Cook
2012-02-17 2:48 ` David Windsor
2012-02-17 3:32 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 6:33 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-02-17 13:23 ` pageexec
2012-02-17 7:59 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 17:53 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 17:54 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 19:37 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 23:39 ` Djalal Harouni
2012-02-18 1:44 ` Roland Dreier
2012-02-18 16:15 ` David Windsor
2012-02-18 16:35 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-18 16:18 ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:58 ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 18:37 ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 18:52 ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:05 ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 19:13 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:35 ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 21:59 ` PaX Team
2012-02-24 18:58 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:41 ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:04 ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:04 ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 22:14 ` PaX Team
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