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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>
Cc: "Sergey Senozhatsky" <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andre@jasper.es
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] RCU changes for v3.3
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 07:27:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120307152703.GD2348@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+5PVA4CdtQYbJBvpoAa7iyWegBpJaDBcFfXpXYX=pARw_SBSA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:09:39AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Sergey Senozhatsky
> <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > >
> >> > > > idle: Avoid using RCU when RCU thinks the CPU is idle
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The x86 idle loops invoke cpuidle_idle_call() which uses tracing
> >> > > > which uses RCU.  Unfortunately, these idle loops have already
> >> > > > told RCU to ignore this CPU when they call it.  This patch hacks
> >> > > > the idle loops to avoid this problem, but probably causing several
> >> > > > other problems in the process.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Not-yet-signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >> > > > ---
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Paul
> >> > >
> >> > > Just tested it on my x86_64 machine, but warnings are still here
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks !
> >> >
> >> > Gah!!!  The mwait_idle() function itself (which is the default value of
> >> > the pm_idle function pointer) uses tracing and thus RCU!  What part of
> >> > "don't use RCU from idle CPUs" was unclear, one wonders?
> >> >
> >> > Ah well, the good news is that we can now detect such abuse and fix it.
> >> >
> >> > But fixing it appears to require pushing rcu_idle_enter() and
> >> > rcu_idle_exit() pairs down to the bottom of each and every idle loop
> >> > and governor.
> >> >
> >> > So...  The cpuidle_idle_call() function has an idle loop inside of itself,
> >> > namely the ->enter() call for the desired target state.  It does tracing
> >> > on both sides of that call.  Should the ->enter() calls actually avoid
> >> > use of tracing, I could push the rcu_idle_enter() and rcu_idle_exit()
> >> > down into cpuidle_idle_call().  We seem to have a ladder_governor and
> >> > a menu_governor in 3.2, and these have states, which in turn have ->enter
> >> > functions.
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm...  Residual power dissipation is given in milliwatts.  I could
> >> > imagine some heartburn from many of the more aggressive embedded folks,
> >> > given that they might prefer microwatts -- or maybe even nanowatts,
> >> > for all I know.
> >> >
> >> > There are a bunch of states defined in drivers/idle/intel_idle.c,
> >> > and these use intel_idle() as their ->enter() states.  This one looks
> >> > to have a nice place for rcu_idle_enter() and rcu_idle_exit().
> >> >
> >> > But I also need to push rcu_idle_enter() and rcu_idle_exit() into any
> >> > function that can be assigned to pm_idle():  default_idle(), poll_idle(),
> >> > mwait_idle(), and amd_e400_idle().  OK, that is not all -that- bad,
> >> > though this must also be done for a number of other architectures as well.
> >> >
> >> > OK, will post a patch.  I will need testing -- clearly my testing on KVM
> >> > is missing a few important code paths...
> >>
> >> And here is another version of the patch.
> > Hello,
> > I just hit the same problem.
> >
> > Is this patch scheduled for 3.3 until release or will land during 3.4
> > merge window?
> 
> There are 3 patches in Paul's 3.4 queue, and another 9 of Steven Rostedt's
> that fix this.  They'll wind up in 3.4.
> 
> I looked at reverting the patch that adds this new warning and it doesn't
> trivially revert.

What are you based on?  I should be able to disable the warning for
you easily enough.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-07 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-05 13:54 Ingo Molnar
2012-01-24 16:25 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-01-24 16:53   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-24 17:04     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-01-24 19:09       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-24 17:13     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-01-24 19:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-24 19:57         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-01-24 21:11           ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-24 22:07             ` Mark Brown
2012-01-24 22:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-24 23:51                 ` Mark Brown
2012-01-25  1:36                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-25 11:59                     ` Mark Brown
2012-01-24 23:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-01-24 23:46               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-01-24 23:54                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-03-07 11:44               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2012-03-07 14:09                 ` Josh Boyer
2012-03-07 15:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2012-03-07 15:49                     ` Josh Boyer
2012-03-08 21:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney

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