From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933363Ab2CZS66 (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:58:58 -0400 Received: from mail.skyhub.de ([78.46.96.112]:43494 "EHLO mail.skyhub.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933188Ab2CZS64 (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:58:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:58:49 +0200 From: Borislav Petkov To: Maciej Rutecki Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , florian@mickler.org, Bjorn Helgaas , Frederic Weisbecker , "H. Peter Anvin" , Ingo Molnar , Steven Rostedt Subject: Re: Tracking regressions for next release(s) Message-ID: <20120326185849.GA19481@liondog.tnic> Mail-Followup-To: Borislav Petkov , Maciej Rutecki , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , florian@mickler.org, Bjorn Helgaas , Frederic Weisbecker , "H. Peter Anvin" , Ingo Molnar , Steven Rostedt References: <20120323101431.GA8832@liondog.tnic> <201203261847.17521.maciej.rutecki@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <201203261847.17521.maciej.rutecki@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 06:47:17PM +0200, Maciej Rutecki wrote: > Hi, > > On piątek, 23 marca 2012 o 11:14:31 Borislav Petkov wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 07:01:19AM +0100, Maciej Rutecki wrote: > > > I am interested in the opinion of the developers, testers, and > > > everyone involved in the development of the kernel, if they thing that > > > tracking regressions and monitoring the quality makes sense, > > > > Absolutely. > > > > > especially since I met several times (put it mildly) dislike of such > > > work and the bugs are repaired relatively slowly. > > > > I can imagine people getting cranky when someone points out that there's > > a "boring" bug they need to fix instead of them working on the cool new > > feature they have thought of. It is the same old story we've been having > > since forever: people don't really love to fix bugs, especially if the > > code works for them and the bug doesn't appear on their boxes. > > > > > Perhaps someone has comments or proposals for change (in the way of > > > work or me). > > > > Yeah, we need a big bad assh*le :) who screams at everyone until their > > bugs is fixed. > > > > But serioulsy, this hasn't changed: we definitely need a regression > > list, I think it works even better when Linus goes over it and says > > this is fixed, that is this commit, etc. because he pulls all the trees > > in the end, ... so yeah, I think what you guys are doing is good and > > important. > > > > It would be even cooler if this list be expanded also to regressions in > > kernel performance which people have noticed from running benchmarks on > > different -rcs and have noticed differences there, maybe a website (not > > bugzilla) which lists all those regressions for interested parties to > > fix in addition to the LKML mails..., etc... > > > > Thanks for your hard work, btw. > > > Borislav, Bjorn Helgaas: thank you for the answer, but observing the > reactions I get the impression that tracking the regression is not likely > anyone's interest. In addition - especially on the last release cycle - > sometimes encountered difficulties in cooperation on this topic with developers: > ignoring request to update the status of the regression, or even add your e- > mail to bugzilla. Well, sounds like you've already decided and that's just sad :(. Let's add some more people to Cc, see what they think. Guys, thread starts here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/23/31 > I give up tracking the regression, but not the kernel testing. Even now I have > a few hours per week more for it. Well, if you still can report your results from it, I think maintainers who are still interested in the quality of their code will be interested in your testing reports. Thanks again for your work. -- Regards/Gruss, Boris.