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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andi@firstfloor.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	ming.m.lin@intel.com,
	Andreas Herrmann <andreas.herrmann3@amd.com>,
	Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>,
	Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] perf/x86: check ucode before disabling PEBS on SandyBridge
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:51:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120613065119.GB15661@aftab.osrc.amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120613010413.GA28174@khazad-dum.debian.net>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:04:13PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > I'd guess this is still there to support mixed ucode revisions for some
> 
> It is still there because of the stable ABI rules.  As far as I can tell,
> it was a crap interface when it got in, and it still is a crap interface
> now because there simply isn't any sane usercase that requires it, it is
> dangerous as implemented right now (at least in the Intel case), and even
> if we fixed the kernel to do the right thing, userspace would not be able
> to know that and would still need to request 1 microcode refresh per core.

Well, I'm disabling it on AMD.

We could make it iterate over _all_ cores and do the update on each one
of them even though the user does a sysfs write only for a single core..

> As far as I know, we always want to refresh the microcode on every core,
> use the firmware interface to pick up a copy of the newest version of the
> microcode matching the signature of each core, and leave no core behind
> without an update.

Yep.

> And preferably, we want to request_firmware() only once per microcode,
> which is rather easy to do: cache every microcode that will be needed,
> check cache first before doing request_firmware() in the per-core
> worker threads, and invalidate the cache when the user requests
> "refresh_all_microcode". So, the cache speeds up multi-core updates,
> and is also usable when restoring the system from suspend/hibernation,
> but doesn't get in the way of userspace trying to apply a microcode
> update.

Yes, agreed too.

> This would make my pathetic system do one request_firmware instead of
> eight. And even the old junk with mixed-stepping SMP at work would
> only require two, instead of four (or eight? I don't recall how many
> cores per die it has) request_firmware calls.

Ok.

> > described above. Maybe this interface should be behind a family, model
> > check or so, so that users don't shoot themselves in the foot but it is
> > root-only anyway.
> 
> This interface should _DIE_.

Yeppers! :-)

> Perhaps we could make it work only for CPU 0 and return EBUSY or whatever
> for all others (or just don't publish the sysfs attribute for the others),
> and change the CPU0 refresh firmware request into a refresh all cores call.

That could also work, it sounds like a sane thing to do having in mind
the current sysfs layout. I will cook up something soonish.

> We could then add a new sysfs attribute to cleanly do the
> update-all-cores request.

That's what Fenghua is doing.

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Boris.

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-13  6:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-07  7:15 Stephane Eranian
2012-06-07 10:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07 10:35   ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-07 10:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07 10:48       ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-07 11:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08  9:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-06-08 10:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 10:03               ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 13:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 13:51                 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 13:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:15                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:20                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:36                         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 15:09                             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 13:56                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:03                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 13:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:03                     ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 14:17                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 16:02                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-08 21:02                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-08 21:16                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:07                 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 14:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:19                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:26                     ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 14:25                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:26                     ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-12  8:14                     ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 16:28                 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 18:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 16:50                 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-08 18:05                 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 18:52                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 20:38                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:07                 ` Robert Richter
2012-06-12 17:09                   ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-12 17:13                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 17:17                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:18                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 17:23                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:26                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 17:35                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:40                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 18:04                                   ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-12 20:10                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-13  1:04                                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-13  6:51                                   ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2012-06-13 12:36                                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-13 16:11                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-13 21:41                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-15 12:37                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-15 12:42                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 12:52                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-15 16:52                                               ` [PATCH] x86, microcode: Make reload interface per system Borislav Petkov
2012-06-15 17:16                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 17:49                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19  2:46                                                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19  3:31                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-19  5:11                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19  8:17                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-19 10:22                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 10:26                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-19 15:06                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 15:57                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-19 18:22                                                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19 20:22                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-20 23:46                                                                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-20 23:49                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-21  0:06                                                                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-21  0:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-21  2:33                                                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19  5:03                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 18:57                                                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19 22:19                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19  2:42                                           ` [PATCH] perf/x86: check ucode before disabling PEBS on SandyBridge Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-12 17:23                       ` Robert Richter
2012-06-12 17:15                     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-07 13:28   ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-07 13:27 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-12 18:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 19:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 19:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 19:35       ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-12 19:49       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 20:28         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 20:37           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 20:42             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 20:56               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 20:58                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 21:04                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-13  8:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 14:00                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 15:37                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 15:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 12:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 13:22                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 14:01                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-13  8:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 13:59           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 15:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 15:38               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 20:27       ` H. Peter Anvin

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