From: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andi@firstfloor.org, mingo@elte.hu,
ming.m.lin@intel.com,
Andreas Herrmann <andreas.herrmann3@amd.com>,
Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>,
Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] perf/x86: check ucode before disabling PEBS on SandyBridge
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:51:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120613065119.GB15661@aftab.osrc.amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120613010413.GA28174@khazad-dum.debian.net>
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:04:13PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > I'd guess this is still there to support mixed ucode revisions for some
>
> It is still there because of the stable ABI rules. As far as I can tell,
> it was a crap interface when it got in, and it still is a crap interface
> now because there simply isn't any sane usercase that requires it, it is
> dangerous as implemented right now (at least in the Intel case), and even
> if we fixed the kernel to do the right thing, userspace would not be able
> to know that and would still need to request 1 microcode refresh per core.
Well, I'm disabling it on AMD.
We could make it iterate over _all_ cores and do the update on each one
of them even though the user does a sysfs write only for a single core..
> As far as I know, we always want to refresh the microcode on every core,
> use the firmware interface to pick up a copy of the newest version of the
> microcode matching the signature of each core, and leave no core behind
> without an update.
Yep.
> And preferably, we want to request_firmware() only once per microcode,
> which is rather easy to do: cache every microcode that will be needed,
> check cache first before doing request_firmware() in the per-core
> worker threads, and invalidate the cache when the user requests
> "refresh_all_microcode". So, the cache speeds up multi-core updates,
> and is also usable when restoring the system from suspend/hibernation,
> but doesn't get in the way of userspace trying to apply a microcode
> update.
Yes, agreed too.
> This would make my pathetic system do one request_firmware instead of
> eight. And even the old junk with mixed-stepping SMP at work would
> only require two, instead of four (or eight? I don't recall how many
> cores per die it has) request_firmware calls.
Ok.
> > described above. Maybe this interface should be behind a family, model
> > check or so, so that users don't shoot themselves in the foot but it is
> > root-only anyway.
>
> This interface should _DIE_.
Yeppers! :-)
> Perhaps we could make it work only for CPU 0 and return EBUSY or whatever
> for all others (or just don't publish the sysfs attribute for the others),
> and change the CPU0 refresh firmware request into a refresh all cores call.
That could also work, it sounds like a sane thing to do having in mind
the current sysfs layout. I will cook up something soonish.
> We could then add a new sysfs attribute to cleanly do the
> update-all-cores request.
That's what Fenghua is doing.
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Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-07 7:15 Stephane Eranian
2012-06-07 10:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07 10:35 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-07 10:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07 10:48 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-07 11:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 9:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-06-08 10:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 10:03 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 13:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 13:51 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 13:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:15 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 15:09 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 13:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 13:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:03 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 14:17 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 16:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-08 21:02 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-08 21:16 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:07 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 14:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 14:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:26 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 14:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:26 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-12 8:14 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 16:28 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-08 18:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 16:50 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-08 18:05 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-08 18:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 20:38 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:07 ` Robert Richter
2012-06-12 17:09 ` Stephane Eranian
2012-06-12 17:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 17:17 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 17:23 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 17:35 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 17:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 18:04 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-12 20:10 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-13 1:04 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-13 6:51 ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2012-06-13 12:36 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-13 16:11 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-13 21:41 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-15 12:37 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-15 12:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 12:52 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-15 16:52 ` [PATCH] x86, microcode: Make reload interface per system Borislav Petkov
2012-06-15 17:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 17:49 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 2:46 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19 3:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-19 5:11 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-19 10:22 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 10:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-19 15:06 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 15:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-19 18:22 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19 20:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-20 23:46 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-20 23:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-21 0:06 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-21 0:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-21 2:33 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19 5:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 18:57 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-19 22:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-19 2:42 ` [PATCH] perf/x86: check ucode before disabling PEBS on SandyBridge Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-12 17:23 ` Robert Richter
2012-06-12 17:15 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-07 13:28 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-07 13:27 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-12 18:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 19:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-12 19:35 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-12 19:49 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 20:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 20:37 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 20:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 20:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-12 20:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 21:04 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-06-13 8:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 14:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 15:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 15:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 12:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 13:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 14:01 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-06-13 8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 13:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-13 15:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-13 15:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-12 20:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
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