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From: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
To: Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Jesse Gross <jesse@nicira.com>,
	Venkat Venkatsubra <venkat.x.venkatsubra@oracle.com>,
	Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>,
	Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
	Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@secunet.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.hengli.com.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, dev@openvswitch.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 28/29] net/: rename net_random() to prandom_u32()
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:42:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121226004207.GA21931@hmsreliant.think-freely.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC5umyhhTJWfsFtZ_5Qm_HJHy2+sx7iMgcV=T=MMKLdi50-HQw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 08:47:26PM +0900, Akinobu Mita wrote:
> 2012/12/25 Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>:
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:14:15AM +0900, Akinobu Mita wrote:
> >> Use more preferable function name which implies using a pseudo-random
> >> number generator.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Jesse Gross <jesse@nicira.com>
> >> Cc: Venkat Venkatsubra <venkat.x.venkatsubra@oracle.com>
> >> Cc: Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>
> >> Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
> >> Cc: Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@secunet.com>
> >> Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
> >> Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
> >> Cc: linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org
> >> Cc: dev@openvswitch.org
> >> Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
> >> ---
> >>  include/net/red.h         | 2 +-
> >>  net/802/garp.c            | 2 +-
> >>  net/openvswitch/actions.c | 2 +-
> >>  net/rds/bind.c            | 2 +-
> >>  net/sctp/socket.c         | 2 +-
> >>  net/xfrm/xfrm_state.c     | 2 +-
> >>  6 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >>
> > I'm largely indifferent to this patch, but I kind of feel like its just churn.
> > Whats the real advantage in making this change?  I grant that it clearly
> > indicates the type of random number generator we're using at a given call site,
> > But for those using net_random, you probably don't care too much about
> > the source of your random bits.  If you did really want true random vs.
> > pseudo-random data, you need to explicitly use the right call.  You're previous
> > patch series did good cleanup on differentiating the different random calls, but
> > this just seems like its removing what is otherwise useful indirection.
> 
> I overlooked the importance of  net_random() indirection.
> Thanks for the feedback. I'll leave all net_random() callers as-is in
> the next version.
Well, I guess I should qualify my opinion.  I find it useful personally (the
generation of nonces in many cases can be left to most any pseudo random
generator that the system deems is a 'good enough' balance between a fast
generator that doesn't block on low entropy and a reasonably secure one that
doesn't allow for easy prediction.  As those needs and factors change, its nice
to have a set point to change them at.  If you (or anyone else has a differing
opinion, I'm happy to listen to it.


Regards
Neil

> 

  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-26  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-24  2:13 [PATCH 00/29] rename random32 and net_random to prandom Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 01/29] raid6test: use prandom_bytes() Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 02/29] uuid: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 03/29] x86: pageattr-test: remove srandom32 call Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 04/29] x86: rename random32() to prandom_u32() Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 05/29] lib/: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 06/29] mm/: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 07/29] kernel/: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 08/29] drbd: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 09/29] infiniband: rename random32() and net_random() " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 10/29] mmc: rename random32() " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 11/29] video/uvesafb: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:13 ` [PATCH 12/29] xfs: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 13/29] ubifs: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 14/29] uwb: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 15/29] lguest: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 16/29] scsi: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 17/29] mtd: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 18/29] drivers/net: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 19/29] batman-adv: fix random jitter calculation Akinobu Mita
2012-12-25 11:26   ` Antonio Quartulli
2012-12-25 21:35     ` Akinobu Mita
2012-12-25 21:37       ` David Miller
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 20/29] batman-adv: rename random32() to prandom_u32() Akinobu Mita
2012-12-25 11:30   ` Antonio Quartulli
2013-01-02 11:52     ` [B.A.T.M.A.N.] " Marek Lindner
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 21/29] net/sunrpc: rename random32() and net_random() " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 22/29] net/sched: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 23/29] net/ipv4: rename " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 24/29] net/ipv6: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 25/29] net/netfilter: rename random32() and " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 26/29] net/core: " Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 27/29] net/core: remove duplicate statements by do-while loop Akinobu Mita
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 28/29] net/: rename net_random() to prandom_u32() Akinobu Mita
2012-12-25  0:21   ` Neil Horman
2012-12-25 11:47     ` Akinobu Mita
2012-12-26  0:42       ` Neil Horman [this message]
2012-12-24  2:14 ` [PATCH 29/29] remove unused net_random(), net_srandom(), random32(), and srandom32() Akinobu Mita

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