From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: "Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>,
Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held!
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:23:08 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130305082308.6607d4db@tlielax.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA9286AEEB0@sacexcmbx05-prd.hq.netapp.com>
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 22:08:34 +0000
"Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 21:53 +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 03/04, Mandeep Singh Baines wrote:
> > >
> > > The problem is that freezer_count() calls try_to_freeze(). In this
> > > case, try_to_freeze() is not really adding any value.
> >
> > Well, I tend to agree.
> >
> > If a task calls __refrigerator() holding a lock which another freezable
> > task can wait for, this is not freezer-friendly.
> >
> > freezable_schedule/freezer_do_not_count/etc not only means "I won't be
> > active if freezing()", it should also mean "I won't block suspend/etc".
>
> If suspend for some reason requires a re-entrant mount, then yes, I can
> see how it might be a problem that we're holding a mount-related lock.
> The question is why is that necessary?
>
> > OTOH, I understand that probably it is not trivial to change this code
> > to make it freezer-friendly. But at least I disagree with "push your
> > problems onto others".
>
> That code can't be made freezer-friendly if it isn't allowed to hold
> basic filesystem-related locks across RPC calls. A number of those RPC
> calls do things that need to be protected by VFS or MM-level locks.
> i.e.: lookups, file creation/deletion, page fault in/out, ...
>
> IOW: the problem would need to be solved differently, possibly by adding
> a new FIFREEZE-like call to allow the filesystem to quiesce itself
> _before_ NetworkManager pulls the rug out from underneath it. There
> would still be plenty of corner cases to keep people entertained (e.g.
> the server goes down before the quiesce call is invoked) but at least
> the top 90% of cases would be solved.
>
Ok, I think I'm starting to get it. It doesn't necessarily need a
reentrant mount or anything like that. Consider this case (which is not
even that unlikely):
Suppose there are two tasks calling unlink() on files in the same NFS
directory.
First task takes the i_mutex on the parent directory and goes to ask
the server to remove the file. Second task calls unlink just
afterward and blocks on the parent's i_mutex.
Now, a suspend event comes in and freezes the first task while it's
waiting on the response. It still holds the parent's i_mutex. Freezer
now gets to the second task and can't freeze it because the sleep on
that mutex isn't freezable.
So, not a deadlock per-se in this case but it does prevent the freezer
from running to completion. I don't see any way to solve it though w/o
making all mutexes freezable. Note that I don't think this is really
limited to NFS either -- a lot of other filesystems will have similar
problems: CIFS, some FUSE variants, etc...
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-03-05 13:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-04 13:57 Ming Lei
2013-03-04 14:14 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-04 14:23 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-04 19:55 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 20:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-04 22:08 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-05 13:23 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2013-03-05 17:46 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 17:49 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 19:03 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 19:09 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 23:39 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 23:47 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 18:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-06 18:53 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-06 21:24 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-06 21:36 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:40 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-13 15:17 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-31 0:07 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-03-07 11:41 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-07 15:25 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-07 15:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 15:59 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 16:45 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 17:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 17:16 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 21:43 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-08 14:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-07 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-03-07 16:00 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 18:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-06 18:40 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 18:45 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 1:10 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-06 1:14 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 1:28 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 12:00 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 23:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-03-06 0:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-03-06 0:30 ` [PATCH] lockdep: make lock held while freezing check optional Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-07 12:03 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-03-06 0:59 ` LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held! Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06 1:05 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-03-06 1:16 ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 3:11 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06 9:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-06 12:06 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 15:59 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06 18:23 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 18:37 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-06 20:15 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 14:40 ` Ming Lei
2013-03-04 15:04 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-04 15:33 ` Ming Lei
2013-03-04 15:53 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-04 20:09 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 20:10 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
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