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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Takuya Yoshikawa <yoshikawa_takuya_b1@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Christoffer Dall <c.dall@virtualopensystems.com>,
	Sasha Levin <sasha.levin@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] kvm: add PV MMIO EVENTFD
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:04:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130404110442.GA6467@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6D40C5F1-849E-4F32-B391-E1A1BFA8C59D@suse.de>

On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 01:57:34PM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
> 
> On 04.04.2013, at 12:50, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > With KVM, MMIO is much slower than PIO, due to the need to
> > do page walk and emulation. But with EPT, it does not have to be: we
> > know the address from the VMCS so if the address is unique, we can look
> > up the eventfd directly, bypassing emulation.
> > 
> > Add an interface for userspace to specify this per-address, we can
> > use this e.g. for virtio.
> > 
> > The implementation adds a separate bus internally. This serves two
> > purposes:
> > - minimize overhead for old userspace that does not use PV MMIO
> > - minimize disruption in other code (since we don't know the length,
> >  devices on the MMIO bus only get a valid address in write, this
> >  way we don't need to touch all devices to teach them handle
> >  an dinvalid length)
> > 
> > At the moment, this optimization is only supported for EPT on x86 and
> > silently ignored for NPT and MMU, so everything works correctly but
> > slowly.
> > 
> > TODO: NPT, MMU and non x86 architectures.
> > 
> > The idea was suggested by Peter Anvin.  Lots of thanks to Gleb for
> > pre-review and suggestions.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> 
> This still uses page fault intercepts which are orders of magnitudes
> slower than hypercalls.

Not really. Here's a test:
compare vmcall to portio:

vmcall 1519
...
outl_to_kernel 1745

compare portio to mmio:

mmio-wildcard-eventfd:pci-mem 3529
mmio-pv-eventfd:pci-mem 1878
portio-wildcard-eventfd:pci-io 1846

So not orders of magnitude.

> Why don't you just create a PV MMIO hypercall
> that the guest can use to invoke MMIO accesses towards the host based
> on physical addresses with explicit length encodings?
> That way you simplify and speed up all code paths, exceeding the speed
> of PIO exits even. It should also be quite easily portable, as all
> other platforms have hypercalls available as well.
> 
> 
> Alex

I sent such a patch, but maintainers seem reluctant to add hypercalls.
Gleb, could you comment please?

A fast way to do MMIO is probably useful in any case ...

>  Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-04 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-04 10:50 Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 11:57 ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 11:04   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-04-04 12:09     ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 11:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 12:19       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 12:22         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:08   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 12:22     ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:34       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 12:39         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 14:02         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 13:40           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 12:32     ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:38       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 12:39         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:45           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 12:49             ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:56               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 13:06                 ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 13:14                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 14:26                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-07  9:30                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-07  8:43                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 13:33                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 15:36                     ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 15:36                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 16:39                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 23:32                         ` Christoffer Dall
2013-04-07  7:41                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-07 21:25                             ` Christoffer Dall
2013-04-04 16:33                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 13:12                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 13:06           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-04 13:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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