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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>,
	Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>, Hedi Berriche <hedi@sgi.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/9] x86/UV: Add ability to disable UV NMI handler
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:03:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130910090349.GN26785@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <522E0037.3090107@sgi.com>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:07:03AM -0700, Mike Travis wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/9/2013 5:43 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:50:41PM -0500, Mike Travis wrote:
> >> For performance reasons, the NMI handler may be disabled to lessen the
> >> performance impact caused by the multiple perf tools running concurently.
> >> If the system nmi command is issued when the UV NMI handler is disabled,
> >> the "Dazed and Confused" messages occur for all cpus.  The NMI handler is
> >> disabled by setting the nmi disabled variable to '1'.  Setting it back to
> >> '0' will re-enable the NMI handler.
> > 
> > I'm not entirely sure why this is still needed now that you've moved all
> > really expensive bits into the UNKNOWN handler.
> > 
> 
> Yes, it could be considered optional.  My primary use was to isolate
> new bugs I found to see if my NMI changes were causing them.  But it
> appears that they are not since the problems occur with or without
> using the NMI entry into KDB.  So it can be safely removed.

OK, as a debug option it might make sense, but removing it is (of course)
fine with me ;-)

> (The basic problem is that if you hang out in KDB too long the machine
> locks up.  

Yeah, known issue. Not much you can do about it either I suspect. The
system generally isn't build for things like that.

> Other problems like the rcu stall detector does not have a
> means to be "touched" like the nmi_watchdog_timer so it fires off a
> few to many, many messages.  

That however might be easily cured if you ask Paul nicely ;-)

> Another, any network connections will time
> out if you are in KDB more than say 20 or 30 seconds.)
> 
> One other problem is with the perf tool.  It seems running more than
> about 2 or 3 perf top instances on a medium (1k cpu threads) sized
> system, they start behaving badly with a bunch of NMI stackdumps
> appearing on the console.  Eventually the system become unusable.

Yuck.. I haven't seen anything like that on the 'tiny' systems I have :/

> On a large system (4k), the perf tools get an error message (sorry
> don't have it handy at the moment) the basically implies that the
> perf config option is not set.  Again, I wanted to remove the new
> NMI handler to insure that it wasn't doing something weird, and
> it wasn't.

Cute.. 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-10  9:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 22:50 [PATCH 0/9] x86/UV/KDB/NMI: Updates for NMI/KDB handler for SGI UV Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 1/9] x86/UV: Move NMI support Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 2/9] x86/UV: Update UV support for external NMI signals Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86/UV: Add summary of cpu activity to UV NMI handler Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 4/9] x86/UV: Add kdump " Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 5/9] KGDB/KDB: add support for external NMI handler to call KGDB/KDB Mike Travis
2013-09-06  4:36   ` Jason Wessel
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86/UV: Add call to KGDB/KDB from NMI handler Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 7/9] KGDB/KDB: add new system NMI entry code to KDB Mike Travis
2013-09-06  5:00   ` Jason Wessel
2013-09-06 16:48     ` Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 8/9] x86/UV: Add uvtrace support Mike Travis
2013-09-05 22:50 ` [PATCH 9/9] x86/UV: Add ability to disable UV NMI handler Mike Travis
2013-09-09 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-09 17:07     ` Mike Travis
2013-09-10  9:03       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-09-12 17:27         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-12 18:35           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-12 19:08             ` Mike Travis
2013-09-12 18:59           ` Mike Travis
2013-09-12 19:48             ` Hedi Berriche
2013-09-12 20:17               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-12 20:16             ` Paul E. McKenney

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