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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Restrict kernel spawning of threads to a specified set of cpus.
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:40:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130913144008.GF21832@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00000141179a5b1f-b94a8394-9e98-400c-ae7f-59cdcfce60a6-000000@email.amazonses.com>

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 01:54:53PM +0000, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> > > If we really want to solve that race, then may be we can think of a kernel_parameter
> >
> > No bloody kernel params. I'd much rather create a pointless kthread to
> > act as usermodehelper parent that people can set context on (move it
> > into cgroups, set affinity, whatever) so it automagically propagates to
> > all userspace helper thingies.
> >
> > Is there anything other than usermodehelper we need to be concerned
> > with? One that comes to mind would be unbound workqueue threads. Do we
> > want to share the parent with usermodehelpers or have these two classes
> > have different parents?
> 
> So you want to keep those silly racy move-all-threads-to-some-cpus scripts
> around? 

No, creating a parent for them closes the race. It should also makes it
lots easier to find the kids by using ppid.

> A kernel parameter would allow a clean bootup with threads
> starting out on the specific processors we want them to.

Blergh, no. A kernel should boot, a kernel should allow you to configure
things, a kernel should not be limited to boot time settings.

> Also there is even more work ahead to deal with things like kswapd,
> writeback threads, compaction and various other scanners that should also
> be restricted. Mostly one thread per node is sufficient. This is not
> simple to do from user space.

IIRC we have one kswapd per node, not sure about the others. And why is
this not simple from userspace? All these are long-running threads and
from a quick look they can have their affinity changed.



  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-13 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 20:07 Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10  6:05 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-09-10  6:47   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10  6:59     ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-09-10  7:26       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10  7:56         ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-09-10  8:53           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10 21:10           ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11  3:20             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-11 14:21               ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11 14:53                 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-11 16:56                   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11 21:36                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12  3:30                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-09-10 21:08   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-10  7:39 ` Rob Landley
2013-09-10 21:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-11 22:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 14:10   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 14:16     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 14:22       ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 14:31         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 14:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 15:11             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 15:32               ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 18:45                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 15:39               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-12 18:35                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-12 18:51                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-15 13:53                   ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1309121030390.21473@gentwo.org>
2013-09-12 15:42                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-12 18:30                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-13  9:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-13 13:54                       ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-13 14:40                         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-09-13 15:15                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1309131010480.26487@gentwo.org>
2013-09-13 15:40                             ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-16  6:02                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-13 13:45                     ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-13 14:04                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-09-13 14:25                         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-15 13:47       ` Gilad Ben-Yossef

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