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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"pjt@google.com" <pjt@google.com>, "rjw@sisk.pl" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"dirk.j.brandewie@intel.com" <dirk.j.brandewie@intel.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"alex.shi@linaro.org" <alex.shi@linaro.org>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"efault@gmx.de" <efault@gmx.de>,
	"corbet@lwn.net" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] sched: power: Remove power capacity hints for kworker threads
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:47:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131018084737.GX31039@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52601BEE.5090500@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 06:18:38PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> >>
> >> cpufreq has pre- and post-change notifiers so the current TC2 clock driver
> 
> yeah those are EVIL ;-)
> 
> >> waits (yields) in its clk_set_rate() implementation until the change has
> >> happened to ensure that the post-change notifier happens at the right
> >> time. Since clk_set_rate() is allowed to sleep other tasks may be
> >> running while waiting for the change to complete. This may be true for
> >> other clock drivers as well.
> >>
> >> AFAICT, there is no way to reuse the existing cpufreq drivers in a
> >> sensible way for scheduler driven frequency scaling.
> 
> that's the conclusion we came to as well about a year ago (and is also
> why we're no longer using cpufreq core for the Intel pstate driver.
> the locking/sleeping/callback/cpuhotplug/sysfs/etc stuff is just a MESS
> for something that ends up being extremely simple if you just code the
> sequence... for us it's just one register write to change... which shows this as an
> extreme obviously)

We should be able to boil it down to a sequence on ARM as well. But it
means dropping cpufreq and looking at the clock framework.

Are you still using the pre- and post-change notifiers on Intel, or can
they be ignored safely?

> 
> 
> >
> > Note that you still have preemption disabled in your late callback from
> > finish_task_switch(). There's no way you can wait/yield/whatever from
> > there. Nor is that really sane.
> 
> the other fun one with this could be that if you have a series of scheduleable tasks
> for changing stuff.... somehow you want to keep ordering in the requests, and only do
> the last one/etc.
> Not Fun(tm)

Agreed, I don't want to go there. Also, the overhead will probably kill any
benefit that there might be.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-18  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-11 17:19 [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Power-aware scheduling v2 Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] Initial power driver interface infrastructure Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] sched: power: Power driver late callback interface Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 13:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] sched: power: go_faster/slower power driver hints Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-12  2:58   ` Michael wang
2013-10-14 12:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 13:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-14 15:55     ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] sched: power: Remove power capacity hints for kworker threads Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-14 15:14     ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-10-17 16:40       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-17 16:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-17 17:18           ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-10-18  8:47             ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2013-10-18 13:43               ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-10-18  8:38           ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 16:10     ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 16:13       ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-10-14 17:19         ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] sched: power: Increase cpu capacity based on rq tracked load Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] sched: power: cpufreq: Initial schedpower cpufreq governor/power driver Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-11 17:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] sched: power: Let the power driver choose the best wake-up cpu Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 13:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Power-aware scheduling v2 Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-14 17:15   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-14 17:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-15 17:05       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-10-15  9:57   ` Preeti U Murthy

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