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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
To: Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>
Cc: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Matt Porter <matt.porter@linaro.org>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>,
	Alison Chaiken <Alison_Chaiken@mentor.com>,
	Dinh Nguyen <dinh.linux@gmail.com>, Jan Lubbe <jluebbe@lasnet.de>,
	Alexander Sverdlin <alexander.sverdlin@nsn.com>,
	Michael Stickel <ms@mycable.de>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Dirk Behme <dirk.behme@gmail.com>,
	Alan Tull <delicious.quinoa@gmail.com>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	Michael Bohan <mbohan@codeaurora.org>,
	Ionut Nicu <ioan.nicu.ext@nsn.com>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	Matt Ranostay <mranostay@gmail.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] OF: Introduce utility helper functions
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:44:20 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131114014420.E871CC4054D@trevor.secretlab.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F88335D9-6515-4E48-A21F-25039F16754A@antoniou-consulting.com>

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:03:37 +0100, Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:34 AM, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:39:08 +0100, Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tue,  5 Nov 2013 19:50:16 +0200, Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com> wrote:
> >>>> +	} else {
> >>>> +		pr_warn("%s: node %p cannot be freed; memory is gone\n",
> >>>> +				__func__, node);
> >>>> +	}
> >>>> +}
> >>> 
> >>> All of the above is potentially dangerous. There is no way to determine
> >>> if anything still holds a reference to a node. The proper way to handle
> >>> removal of properties is to have a release method when the last
> >>> of_node_put is called.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> This is safe, and expected to be called only on a dynamically created tree,
> >> that's what all the checks against OF_DYNAMIC guard against.
> >> 
> >> It is not ever meant to be called on an arbitrary tree, created by unflattening
> >> a blob.
> > 
> > I am talking about when being used on a dynamic tree. The problem is
> > when a driver or other code holds a reference to a dynamic nodes, but
> > doesn't release it correctly. The memory must not be freed until all of
> > the references are relased. OF_DYNAMIC doesn't actually help in that
> > case, and it is the reason for of_node_get()/of_node_put()
> > 
> 
> I know, but even that is not enough. of_node_get()/of_node_put() handles the
> case of references to the nodes, but not what happens with references to
> properties. deadprops is mitigating the problem somewhat, but if we're going
> to go to all the trouble of kobjectification let's do the props as well.
> 
> of_get_property could be modified to return a devm_kmalloced copy of the real
> property and that would deal with most of the callers. Of course for
> the small sized scalar data we can avoid the copy.
> 
> By using the devm_* interface we also avoid having to mess too much with the callers.
> 
> I.e. what about something like devm_of_get_property()?

Reference counting is already a horrible pain to keep correct. I don't
see a better way to handle it in the dynamic case, so we're stuck with
it, but I don't want to make it any harder. Adding ref counting to
properties will make it harder than it already is to get the code right.
I'm absolutely fine with a little bit of wasted memory in the form of
deadprops when the alternative is so horrible. References at the node
level is enough granularity.

I don't think kduping the property is the solution either. I strongly
suspect that will be far more expensive than the deadprop solution.

> >>>> +{
> >>>> +	struct device_node *node;
> >>>> +
> >>>> +	node = kzalloc(sizeof(*node), flags);
> >>>> +	if (node == NULL)
> >>>> +		return NULL;
> >>>> +
> >>>> +	node->name = kstrdup(name, flags);
> >>>> +	if (node->name == NULL)
> >>>> +		goto err_return;
> >>>> +
> >>>> +	node->type = kstrdup(type, flags);
> >>>> +	if (node->type == NULL)
> >>>> +		goto err_return;
> >>>> +
> >>>> +	node->full_name = kstrdup(full_name, flags);
> >>>> +	if (node->type == NULL)
> >>>> +		goto err_return;
> >>> 
> >>> Again, who do you expect the user of this function to be? If it is part
> >>> of unflattening an overlay tree, is there a reason that the passed in
> >>> names cannot be used directly instead of kmallocing them?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> I want to be able to get rid of the blob eventually; I don't need to keep
> >> dragging it around.
> > 
> > Why? It really doesn't hurt and it means data does not need to be
> > copied.
> 
> Copying data lead to less problems that having to drag that blob around. 
> That's just preference, so not a big issue.

Can you elaborate? What problems do you foresee being created by keeping
the blob?

g.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-14  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-05 17:50 [PATCH 0/5] OF: Fixes in preperation of DT overlays Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-05 17:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] OF: Clear detach flag on attach Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-05 19:43   ` Gerhard Sittig
2013-11-05 20:03     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-06  8:46       ` Alexander Sverdlin
2013-11-06  8:49         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-06 10:05           ` Alexander Sverdlin
2013-11-11 16:05           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-05 17:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] OF: Introduce device tree node flag helpers Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-11 16:05   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-05 17:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] OF: export of_property_notify Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-05 18:12   ` Matt Porter
2013-11-05 18:15     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-11 16:06   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-12  9:31     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-05 17:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] OF: Export all DT proc update functions Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-11 16:09   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-12 10:21     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-05 17:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] OF: Introduce utility helper functions Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]   ` < 20131111163743.D136CC42330@trevor.secretlab.ca>
     [not found]     ` < 89491720-464B-47EC-A888-9CDE29B035F5@antoniou-consulting.com>
     [not found]       ` < 20131113013459.D3886C40F49@trevor.secretlab.ca>
     [not found]         ` < F88335D9-6515-4E48-A21F-25039F16754A@antoniou-consulting.com>
     [not found]           ` < 20131114014420.E871CC4054D@trevor.secretlab.ca>
2013-11-06  9:21   ` Ionut Nicu
2013-11-06  9:34     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-06 14:53       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-06 15:08         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-11 16:12         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-11 16:37   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-12 10:39     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-13  1:34       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-13  9:03         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-14  1:44           ` Grant Likely [this message]
2013-11-14  9:51             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-15  6:27               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-16 12:23                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-06 15:41 ` [PATCH 0/5] OF: Fixes in preperation of DT overlays Alexander Sverdlin

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