From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:27:11 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131122152711.c644e5acf02b61668c63b59c@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131108102113.GB6343@quack.suse.cz>
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:21:13 +0100 Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> On Fri 08-11-13 00:46:49, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 06:37:17PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:21:51 +0100
> > > Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Offloading to a workqueue would be perhaps better, and writing to the serial
> > > > console could then be done with interrupts enabled, preemptible context, etc...
> > >
> > > Oh God no ;-) Adding workqueue logic into printk just spells a
> > > nightmare of much more complexity for a critical kernel infrastructure.
> >
> > But yeah that's scary, that means workqueues itself can't printk that safely.
> > So, you're right after all.
> Yeah, we've been there (that was actually my initial proposal). But
> Andrew and Steven (rightfully) objected and suggested irq_work should be
> used instead.
I still hate the patchset and so does everyone else, including you ;)
There must be something smarter we can do. Let's start by restating
the problem:
CPU A is in printk, emitting log_buf characters to a slow device.
Meanwhile other CPUs come into printk(), see that the system is busy,
dump their load into log_buf then scram, leaving CPU A to do even more
work.
Correct so far?
If so, what is the role of local_irq_disabled() in this? Did CPU A
call printk() with local interrupts disabled, or is printk (or the
console driver) causing the irqs-off condition? Where and why is this
IRQ disablement happening?
Could we fix this problem by not permitting CPUs B, C and D to DoS CPU
A? When CPU B comes into printk() and sees that printk is busy, make
CPU A hand over to CPU B and let CPU A get out of there?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-22 23:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-07 21:48 [PATCH 0/4 v6] Avoid softlockups in console_unlock() Jan Kara
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] printk: Remove separate printk_sched buffers and use printk buf instead Jan Kara
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 2/4] irq_work: Provide a irq work that can be processed on any cpu Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 22:19 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:23 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 22:50 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:54 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 23:01 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 23:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-08 10:18 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:32 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much Jan Kara
2013-11-07 22:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 22:57 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-07 23:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 23:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-07 23:44 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-07 23:46 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-11-08 10:21 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-22 23:27 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-11-25 12:08 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-11 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-11 22:17 ` Jan Kara
2013-11-16 11:35 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-07 22:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-11-07 21:48 ` [PATCH 4/4] printk: Use unbound irq work for printing and waking Jan Kara
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-08-21 8:08 [PATCH 0/4 v6] Avoid softlockups in console_unlock() Jan Kara
2013-08-21 8:08 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much Jan Kara
2013-08-21 19:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-14 13:28 [PATCH 0/4 v5] Avoid softlockups in console_unlock() Jan Kara
2013-08-14 13:28 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Defer printing to irq work when we printed too much Jan Kara
2013-08-15 1:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-08-15 7:52 ` Jan Kara
2013-08-15 13:26 ` Steven Rostedt
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