From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754822Ab3LCPyL (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Dec 2013 10:54:11 -0500 Received: from lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk ([81.2.110.251]:53219 "EHLO lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753987Ab3LCPyJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Dec 2013 10:54:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:51:53 +0000 From: One Thousand Gnomes To: Ian Campbell Cc: David Vrabel , Roger Pau Monne , Stefano Stabellini , Julien Grall , , , "Boris Ostrovsky" Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH RFC] xen-block: correctly define structures in public headers Message-ID: <20131203155153.2b5488d2@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1386083821.13256.42.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> References: <1386068254-1413-1-git-send-email-roger.pau@citrix.com> <529DBA07.6090108@citrix.com> <1386068884.13256.9.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> <529DC7BA.7080506@citrix.com> <1386078108.13256.30.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> <529DF4A0.50103@citrix.com> <1386083821.13256.42.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> Organization: Intel Corporation X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > If Konrad and Boris agree that breaking the kernel's ABI in this way is > > acceptable in this specific case, I'll defer to them. > > My opinion as Xen on ARM hypervisor maintainer is that this is the right > thing to do in this case. Sounds to me like the difference between "product" and "research toy". You don't break back compatibility in a product when you can avoid it. You may wish the publically humiliate those responsible (Linus seems to) but at the end of the day it's done. Your boolean choice is a false one anyway - you can do at least three different things - Implement and tell people to use the new API, break everyone's PoC and deployed systems, prevent old kernels running on newer Xen and generally make users lose confidence in it - Keep the erroneous API and live with the uglies - Keep the erroneous API working but implement a new clean API (and possibly make misuse produce a one per boot whine about fixing your kernel) The Linux approach has tended to be the last one most of the time, coupled with Linus having a rant 8) Alan