From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754561Ab3LSPKf (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:10:35 -0500 Received: from merlin.infradead.org ([205.233.59.134]:55044 "EHLO merlin.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752617Ab3LSPKc (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:10:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:10:24 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Alexander Shishkin Cc: Ingo Molnar , Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo , Ingo Molnar , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Ahern , Frederic Weisbecker , Jiri Olsa , Mike Galbraith , Namhyung Kim , Paul Mackerras , Stephane Eranian , Andi Kleen Subject: Re: [PATCH v0 04/71] itrace: Infrastructure for instruction flow tracing units Message-ID: <20131219151024.GI16438@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <8738lqtg0v.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> <20131218141125.GT21999@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <87zjnys0gj.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> <20131218150900.GU21999@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <87wqj1s2d3.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> <20131219103134.GD30183@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <87ob4drsww.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> <20131219112812.GY21999@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20131219123955.GA18186@gmail.com> <87haa4kj4y.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87haa4kj4y.fsf@ashishki-desk.ger.corp.intel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2012-12-30) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 04:30:53PM +0200, Alexander Shishkin wrote: > So I'd like to steer away from the ways in which hardware can be broken > and talk about a usable interface, to begin with. Just dump it into the regular one buffer like I outlined. That said; we very much need to have at least two architectures implemented for any of this code to move. But we cannot ignore the hardware trainwreck; we cannot shape our interface around something that's utterly broken. Some hardware is just too broken to support.