From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
nfs-ganesha-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 13/14] locks: skip deadlock detection on FL_FILE_PVT locks
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 19:49:30 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140109194930.1692fbbe@tlielax.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52CF05B5.5080700@amacapital.net>
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:25:25 -0800
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> On 01/09/2014 06:19 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > It's not really feasible to do deadlock detection with FL_FILE_PVT
> > locks since they aren't owned by a single task, per-se. Deadlock
> > detection also tends to be rather expensive so just skip it for
> > these sorts of locks.
>
> I just looked at the existing deadlock detector, and... eww.
>
Actually, I find it to be pretty clever, but it's only useful in some
very limited cases. Also, the performance penalty it imposes on a
lock-heavy workload is pretty significant (I had some numbers when I
did the overhaul of the spinlocking around that code, but don't have
them handy).
> When I think of deadlocks caused by r/w locks (which these are), I think
> of two kinds. First is what the current code tries to detect: two
> processes that are each waiting for each other. I don't know whether
> POSIX enshrines the idea of detecting that, but I wouldn't be surprised,
> considering how awful the old POSIX locks are.
>
It can walk down a chain of dependencies (which is the cool part), so
the two processes don't even need to be working on the same inode at
all in order for it to detect a deadlock. The catch is that there is no
real way to deal with stuff like threads with this mechanism.
In any case, the spec is here:
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009696899/functions/fcntl.html
...and it just says: "A potential for deadlock occurs if a process
controlling a locked region is put to sleep by attempting to lock
another process' locked region. If the system detects that sleeping
until a locked region is unlocked would cause a deadlock, fcntl() shall
fail with an [EDEADLK] error."
Since it just says "if the system detects", I take it to mean that all
of this deadlock detection stuff is entirely optional.
> The sensible kind of detectable deadlock involves just one lock, and it
> happens when two processes both hold read locks and try to upgrade to
> write locks. This should be efficiently detectable and makes upgrading
> locks safe(r).
>
> I think I'd be happier if it's at least documented that the new fcntl
> calls might (some day) detect that kind of deadlock.
>
>
Sure, I can toss a comment in to that effect.
Personally, I'm rather keen to avoid dealing with deadlock detection
here since it's a rather large pain to deal with. Deadlock detection is
the only reason we have a global spinlock in this code anymore. I
seriously considered ripping it all out when I was overhauling this a
few months ago.
I was able to get it to perform more reasonably by turning the global
list into a hash table, but I'd have preferred to remove it altogether.
> All that being said, this patch series is awesome. I've lost count of
> the number of explosions I've seen to due POSIX lock crap. Thanks!
>
Thanks for having a look!
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-10 0:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-09 14:19 [PATCH v5 00/14] locks: implement "file-private" (aka UNPOSIX) locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] locks: close potential race between setlease and open Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] locks: clean up comment typo Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] locks: remove "inline" qualifier from fl_link manipulation functions Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] locks: add __acquires and __releases annotations to locks_start and locks_stop Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] locks: eliminate BUG() call when there's an unexpected lock on file close Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] locks: fix posix lock range overflow handling Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] locks: consolidate checks for compatible filp->f_mode values in setlk handlers Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] MAINTAINERS: add Bruce and myself to list of maintainers for file locking code Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] locks: rename locks_remove_flock to locks_remove_file Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] locks: make /proc/locks show IS_FILE_PVT locks with a P suffix Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] locks: report l_pid as -1 for FL_FILE_PVT locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] locks: pass the cmd value to fcntl_getlk/getlk64 Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] locks: skip deadlock detection on FL_FILE_PVT locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 20:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-10 0:49 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2014-01-10 0:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 19:27 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 20:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 21:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:25 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 21:18 ` Jeff Layton
2014-01-14 21:19 ` Frank Filz
2014-01-14 21:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:34 ` Frank Filz
2014-01-14 21:51 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-14 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:26 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <CALwJ=MyRRjL9kXMdQgACJ6GDTMoMzMJcckuvKk1NBqJD2G07pg@mail.gmail.com>
2014-01-14 21:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-14 21:30 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-01-09 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] locks: add new fcntl cmd values for handling file private locks Jeff Layton
2014-01-09 20:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-01-10 0:55 ` Jeff Layton
2014-01-10 1:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
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