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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	gong.chen@linux.intel.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Elliott@hp.com, fweisbec@gmail.com, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] x86, nmi:  Implement delayed irq_work mechanism to handle lost NMIs
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:38:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140521193830.GK2485@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140521190225.GC50500@redhat.com>

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 03:02:25PM -0400, Don Zickus wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 07:51:49PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:45:25PM -0400, Don Zickus wrote:
> > > > > +	/*
> > > > > +	 * Can't use send_IPI_self here because it will
> > > > > +	 * send an NMI in IRQ context which is not what
> > > > > +	 * we want.  Create a cpumask for local cpu and
> > > > > +	 * force an IPI the normal way (not the shortcut).
> > > > > +	 */
> > > > > +	bitmap_zero(nmi_mask, NR_CPUS);
> > > > > +	mask = to_cpumask(nmi_mask);
> > > > > +	cpu_set(smp_processor_id(), *mask);
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	__this_cpu_xchg(nmi_delayed_work_pending, true);
> > > > 
> > > > Why is this xchg and not __this_cpu_write() ?
> > > > 
> > > > > +	apic->send_IPI_mask(to_cpumask(nmi_mask), NMI_VECTOR);
> > > > 
> > > > What's wrong with apic->send_IPI_self(NMI_VECTOR); ?
> > > 
> > > I tried to explain that in my comment above.  IPI_self uses the shortcut
> > > method to send IPIs which means the NMI_VECTOR will be delivered in IRQ
> > > context _not_ NMI context. :-(  This is why I do the whole silly dance.
> > 
> > I'm still not getting it, probably because I don't know how these APICs
> > really work, but the way I read both the comment and your explanation
> > here is that we get an NMI nested in the IRQ context we called it from,
> > which is pretty much exactly what we want.
> 
> Um, ok.  I think my concern with that is an NMI nested in IRQ context
> could be interrupted by a real NMI. I believe that would cause nmi_enter()
> to barf among other bad things in the nmi code.

Ohh, you mean the NMI handler will run as a regular interrupt? Yes, that
would be bad.

> > > So both my problems center around what guarantees does irq_work have to
> > > stay on the same cpu?
> > 
> > Well, none as you used a global irq_work, so all cpus will now contend
> > on it on every NMI trying to queue it :-(
> 
> Yes, I was stuck between using a per-cpu implementation in which every dummy
> NMI grabs the spin lock in the nmi handlers, or a global lock.  I tried
> the global lock.
> 
> I thought the irq_work lock seemed less contended because it was only read
> once before being acted upon (for a cacheline seperate from actual nmi work).
> 
> Whereas a spin lock in the nmi handlers seems to keep reading the lock
> until it owns it thus slowing down useful work for the handler that owns
> the lock (because of the cache contention).
> 
> I could be wrong though.

Well, pretty much every NMI will call irq_queue_work() which calls
irq_work_claim() which does an uncondition cmpxchg (locked rmw) on the
global cacheline.

Which is *hurt*.


will try and reply to the rest later..

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-21 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-15 19:25 [PATCH 0/6 V2] x86, nmi: Various fixes and cleanups Don Zickus
2014-05-15 19:25 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86, nmi: Implement delayed irq_work mechanism to handle lost NMIs Don Zickus
2014-05-21 10:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 16:45     ` Don Zickus
2014-05-21 17:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 19:02         ` Don Zickus
2014-05-21 19:38           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-05-15 19:25 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86, nmi: Add new nmi type 'external' Don Zickus
2014-05-15 19:25 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86, nmi: Add boot line option 'panic_on_unrecovered_nmi' and 'panic_on_io_nmi' Don Zickus
2014-05-15 19:25 ` [PATCH 4/6] x86, nmi: Remove 'reason' value from unknown nmi output Don Zickus
2014-05-15 19:25 ` [PATCH 5/6] x86, nmi: Move default external NMI handler to its own routine Don Zickus
2014-05-21 10:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 16:48     ` Don Zickus
2014-05-21 18:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-21 19:13         ` Don Zickus
2014-05-15 19:25 ` [PATCH 6/6 V2] x86, nmi: Add better NMI stats to /proc/interrupts and show handlers Don Zickus
2014-05-15 20:28 ` [PATCH 0/6 V2] x86, nmi: Various fixes and cleanups Don Zickus

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