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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Sebastien Buisson <sebastien.buisson@bull.net>
Cc: <rob@landley.net>, <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Allow increasing the buffer-head per-CPU LRU size
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:37:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140626143703.e3db0974db994fd16cd8c317@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53AC078C.4090005@bull.net>

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:44:12 +0200 Sebastien Buisson <sebastien.buisson@bull.net> wrote:

> 
> Le 26/06/2014 00:16, Andrew Morton a __crit :
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:52:00 +0200 Sebastien Buisson <sebastien.buisson@bull.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Allow increasing the buffer-head per-CPU LRU size to allow efficient
> >> filesystem operations that access many blocks for each transaction.
> >> For example, creating a file in a large ext4 directory with quota
> >> enabled will accesses multiple buffer heads and will overflow the LRU
> >> at the default 8-block LRU size:
> >>
> >> * parent directory inode table block (ctime, nlinks for subdirs)
> >> * new inode bitmap
> >> * inode table block
> >> * 2 quota blocks
> >> * directory leaf block (not reused, but pollutes one cache entry)
> >> * 2 levels htree blocks (only one is reused, other pollutes cache)
> >> * 2 levels indirect/index blocks (only one is reused)
> >>
> >> Make this tuning be a kernel parameter 'bh_lru_size'.
> >
> > I don't think it's a great idea to make this a boot-time tunable.  It's
> > going to take a ton of work by each and every kernel
> > user/installer/distributor to work out what is the best setting for
> > them.  And the differences will be pretty small anyway.  And we didn't
> > provide them with any documentation to help them even get started with
> > the project.
> >
> 
> I am sorry, I meant to leave the default bh_lru_size as is, ie set to 8 
> (instead of 16 in my proposed patch). That way, kernel users and 
> integrators of all kind would not have to bother about the new boot-time 
> tunable, and could change nothing and stay with the same value as they 
> did before.
> 
> At the same time, advanced users like those playing with Lustre would 
> have the ability to tune the buffer-head per-CPU LRU size without the 
> need to recompile the kernel.
> 
> Does it sound better?

Mutter.  Maybe.  But is there any downside to increasing BH_LRU_SIZE to
8?  Or, more accurately, does that downside outweight the upside?

That "8" was pulled out of a hat 12 years ago and I don't think anyone
has before done any serious investigation into tuning it.  Maybe 16 is
just a better setting?

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-26 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-24 15:52 Sebastien Buisson
2014-06-25 22:16 ` Andrew Morton
2014-06-26 11:44   ` Sebastien Buisson
2014-06-26 21:37     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2014-06-27 12:25 Sebastien Buisson
2014-07-04  8:38 Sebastien Buisson
2014-07-05  7:44 ` Andreas Mohr
2014-07-06 16:18 ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-07 10:32   ` Sebastien Buisson
2014-07-07 16:30     ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-07 16:30       ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-07 22:29       ` Andrew Morton
2014-07-07 22:46         ` Andi Kleen
2014-07-08  6:28           ` Sebastien Buisson
2014-07-10  6:51             ` Sebastien Buisson
2014-07-10  7:07               ` Andrew Morton
2014-07-10  7:29                 ` Sebastien Buisson
2014-07-10 14:17                   ` Andi Kleen

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