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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, beck@openbsd.org,
	deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v4] random: introduce getrandom(2) system call
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:26:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140730122620.GC13965@amd.pavel.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1405718127-30042-1-git-send-email-tytso@mit.edu>

Hi!

> The rationale of this system call is to provide resiliance against
> file descriptor exhaustion attacks, where the attacker consumes all
> available file descriptors, forcing the use of the fallback code where
> /dev/[u]random is not available.  Since the fallback code is often not
> well-tested, it is better to eliminate this potential failure mode
> entirely.

I'm not sure I understand the rationale; if someone can eat all your
file descriptors, he can make you stop working. So you can just stop
working when you can't open /dev/urandom, no?

Fallback code is probably very bad idea to use...

> The other feature provided by this new system call is the ability to
> request randomness from the /dev/urandom entropy pool, but to block
> until at least 128 bits of entropy has been accumulated in the
> /dev/urandom entropy pool.  Historically, the emphasis in the
> /dev/urandom development has been to ensure that urandom pool is
> initialized as quickly as possible after system boot, and preferably
> before the init scripts start execution.

Sounds like ioctl() for /dev/urandom for this behaviour would be nice?

									Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-30 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-18 21:15 Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-21 20:21 ` Till Smejkal
2014-07-21 22:23   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-07-22 14:36 ` Rolf Eike Beer
2014-07-30 12:26 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2014-07-30 13:56   ` Bob Beck
2014-07-30 14:40     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2014-07-30 22:18       ` Pavel Machek
2014-07-31  8:06         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2014-08-03 11:38           ` Pavel Machek

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