From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com,
fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com, bobby.prani@gmail.com,
rafael@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 15/16] rcu: Make RCU-tasks wait for idle tasks
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:42:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140813144219.GQ9918@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140813141217.GU4752@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 07:12:17AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > That's not an excuse for doing horrible things. And inventing new infra
> > that needs to wake all CPUs is horrible.
>
> Does your patch even work?
Haven't even tried compiling it, but making it work shouldn't be too
hard.
> Looks like it should, and yes, the idle loop
> seems quite a bit simpler than it was a few years ago, but we really
> don't need some strange thing that leaves a CPU idle but not visible as
> such to RCU.
There's slightly more to it though; things like the x86 mwait idle wait
functions tend to do far too much; for instance look at:
drivers/idle/intel_idle.c:intel_idle()
We should push the rcu_idle_{enter,exit}() down to around
mwait_idle_with_hints(), so we don't call half the word with RCU
disabled.
> I have already said that I will be happy to rip out the wakeup code
> when it is no longer needed, and I agree that it would be way better if
> not needed.
I'd prefer to dtrt now and not needing to fix it later.
Auditing all idle functions will be somewhat of a pain, but its entirely
doable. Looking at this stuff, it appears we can clean it up massively;
see how the generic cpuidle code already has the broadcast logic in, so
we can remove that from the drivers by setting the right flags.
We can similarly pull out the leave_mm() call by adding a
CPUIDLE_FLAG_TLB_FLUSH. At which point all we'd need to do is mark the
intel_idle (and all other cpuidle_state::enter functions with __notrace.
> But I won't base a patch on hypotheticals. You have already
> drawn way too much water from -that- well over the past years! ;-)
not entirely sure what you're referring to there ;-)
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-11 22:48 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/16] RCU-tasks implementation Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 01/16] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 02/16] rcu: Provide cond_resched_rcu_qs() to force quiescent states in long loops Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 03/16] rcu: Add synchronous grace-period waiting for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 04/16] rcu: Make TASKS_RCU handle tasks that are almost done exiting Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 05/16] rcu: Export RCU-tasks APIs to GPL modules Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 19:08 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 21:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 06/16] rcutorture: Add torture tests for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 21:34 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 21:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 21:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 07/16] rcutorture: Add RCU-tasks test cases Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 08/16] rcu: Add stall-warning checks for RCU-tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 21:39 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 21:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 09/16] rcu: Improve RCU-tasks energy efficiency Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 21:42 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 21:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 22:00 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-11 22:48 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 10/16] documentation: Add verbiage on RCU-tasks stall warning messages Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:49 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 11/16] rcu: Defer rcu_tasks_kthread() creation till first call_rcu_tasks() Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 22:28 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 22:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:49 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 12/16] rcu: Make TASKS_RCU handle nohz_full= CPUs Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 22:55 ` Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 23:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:49 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 13/16] rcu: Make rcu_tasks_kthread()'s GP-wait loop allow preemption Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:49 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 14/16] rcu: Remove redundant preempt_disable() from rcu_note_voluntary_context_switch() Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 14:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 20:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:49 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 15/16] rcu: Make RCU-tasks wait for idle tasks Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 8:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 12:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 13:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 13:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-13 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 14:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-08-13 14:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 16:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 16:43 ` Jacob Pan
2014-08-13 18:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 16:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 18:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 14:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 20:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 14:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 14:42 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-08-13 17:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 17:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 18:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 18:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-13 18:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-13 19:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-11 22:49 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 16/16] rcu: Additional information on RCU-tasks stall-warning messages Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-14 20:46 ` [PATCH v5 tip/core/rcu 01/16] rcu: Add call_rcu_tasks() Pranith Kumar
2014-08-14 21:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-08-12 23:57 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/16] RCU-tasks implementation Paul E. McKenney
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