From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Erik Bosman <ebn310@few.vu.nl>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC 5/5] x86,perf: Only allow rdpmc if a perf_event is mapped
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:59:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141021085908.GM23531@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrW5M+p4FZ6YPdNVVtXKomkEYRWyNpGGB1ZPbJMkQgU50g@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:39:48AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 03:57:54PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >>> > Maybe, but at that point we commit to yet another ABI... I'd rather just
> >>> > put a 'sane' implementation in a library or so.
> >>>
> >>> This cuts both ways, though. For vdso timekeeping, the underlying
> >>> data structure has changed repeatedly, sometimes to add features, and
> >>> sometimes for performance, and the vdso has done a good job insulating
> >>> userspace from it. (In fact, until 3.16, even the same exact kernel
> >>> version couldn't be relied on to have the same data structure with
> >>> different configs, and even now, no one really wants to teach user
> >>> libraries how to parse the pvclock data structures.)
> >>
> >> Fair enough, but as it stands we've already committed to the data
> >> structure exposed to userspace.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > OTOH, if a vdso function gets added, a few releases go by, and all the
> > userspace tools get updated, then the old data structure could be
> > dropped if needed by clearing cap_user_rdpmc.
> >
> > Anyway, this is so far out of scope for the current project that I'm
> > going to ignore it.
>
> OK, I lied.
>
> I haven't tested it, but it looks like any existing users of
> cap_user_rdpmc may have serious issues. That flag is set to 1 for
> essentially all perf_events on x86, even events that aren't part of
> the x86_pmu. Since the default .event_idx callback doesn't return
> zero, lots of other events will appear to be rdpmcable. This includes
> the AMD uncore pmu, which looks like it actually supports rdpmc, but
> hwc->idx seems to be missing an offset.
>
> If this is the case, then user code can't reliably use the userpage
> rdpmc mechanism, so maybe it should be deprecated (or at least get a
> new flag bit).
Seeing how we've not actually had bugreports on this, I suspect we can
still fix that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-21 8:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-14 22:57 [RFC 0/5] CR4 handling improvements Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-14 22:57 ` [RFC 1/5] x86: Clean up cr4 manipulation Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-16 11:18 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-16 11:29 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-16 15:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 15:47 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-14 22:57 ` [RFC 2/5] x86: Store a per-cpu shadow copy of CR4 Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 8:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-16 11:49 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-16 15:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-14 22:57 ` [RFC 3/5] x86: Add a comment clarifying LDT context switching Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 15:49 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-16 16:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 5:41 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-21 5:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 6:05 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-14 22:57 ` [RFC 4/5] perf: Add pmu callbacks to track event mapping and unmapping Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-14 22:57 ` [RFC 5/5] x86,perf: Only allow rdpmc if a perf_event is mapped Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-16 15:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-16 15:57 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-10-17 0:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 20:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 21:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-19 22:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 22:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-19 22:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 8:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-20 16:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 17:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 8:59 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-10-19 21:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-20 0:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 8:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-20 9:24 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2014-10-20 10:51 ` Hendrik Brueckner
2014-10-21 9:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-21 15:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 4:06 ` [RFC 0/5] CR4 handling improvements Vince Weaver
2014-10-21 4:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21 15:00 ` Vince Weaver
2014-10-21 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-21 17:05 ` Vince Weaver
2014-10-23 11:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-24 12:41 ` Vince Weaver
2014-10-24 22:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
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