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From: Calvin Owens <calvinowens@fb.com>
To: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Feiner <pfeiner@google.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2] procfs: Always expose /proc/<pid>/map_files/ and make it readable
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:53:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150204035341.GB3290085@mail.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54CF832A.7010707@gmail.com>

On Monday 02/02 at 09:01 -0500, Austin S Hemmelgarn wrote:
> On 2015-01-30 20:58, Calvin Owens wrote:
> >On Thursday 01/29 at 17:30 -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> >>On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Calvin Owens <calvinowens@fb.com> wrote:
> >>>On Monday 01/26 at 15:43 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >>>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:00:54 +0300 Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 02:47:31PM +0200, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> >>>>>>On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 07:15:44PM -0800, Calvin Owens wrote:
> >>>>>>>Currently, /proc/<pid>/map_files/ is restricted to CAP_SYS_ADMIN, and
> >>>>>>>is only exposed if CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE is set. This interface
> >>>>>>>is very useful for enumerating the files mapped into a process when
> >>>>>>>the more verbose information in /proc/<pid>/maps is not needed.
> >>>>
> >>>>This is the main (actually only) justification for the patch, and it it
> >>>>far too thin.  What does "not needed" mean.  Why can't people just use
> >>>>/proc/pid/maps?
> >>>
> >>>The biggest difference is that if you do something like this:
> >>>
> >>>         fd = open("/stuff", O_BLAH);
> >>>         map = mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_BLAH, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0);
> >>>         close(fd);
> >>>         unlink("/stuff");
> >>>
> >>>...then map_files/ gives you a way to get a file descriptor for
> >>>"/stuff", which you couldn't do with /proc/pid/maps.
> >>>
> >>>It's also something of a win if you just want to see what is mapped at a
> >>>specific address, since you can just readlink() the symlink for the
> >>>address range you care about and it will go grab the appropriate VMA and
> >>>give you the answer. /proc/pid/maps requires walking the VMA tree, which
> >>>is quite expensive for processes with many thousands of threads, even
> >>>without the O(N^2) issue.
> >>>
> >>>(You have to know what address range you want though, since readdir() on
> >>>map_files/ obviously has to walk the VMA tree just like /proc/N/maps.)
> >>>
> >>>>>>>This patch moves the folder out from behind CHECKPOINT_RESTORE, and
> >>>>>>>removes the CAP_SYS_ADMIN restrictions. Following the links requires
> >>>>>>>the ability to ptrace the process in question, so this doesn't allow
> >>>>>>>an attacker to do anything they couldn't already do before.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Signed-off-by: Calvin Owens <calvinowens@fb.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Cc +linux-api@
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Looks good to me, thanks! Though I would really appreciate if someone
> >>>>>from security camp take a look as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>hm, who's that.  Kees comes to mind.
> >>>>
> >>>>And reviewers' task would be a heck of a lot easier if they knew what
> >>>>/proc/pid/map_files actually does.  This:
> >>>>
> >>>>akpm3:/usr/src/25> grep -r map_files Documentation
> >>>>akpm3:/usr/src/25>
> >>>>
> >>>>does not help.
> >>>>
> >>>>The 640708a2cff7f81 changelog says:
> >>>>
> >>>>:     This one behaves similarly to the /proc/<pid>/fd/ one - it contains
> >>>>:     symlinks one for each mapping with file, the name of a symlink is
> >>>>:     "vma->vm_start-vma->vm_end", the target is the file.  Opening a symlink
> >>>>:     results in a file that point exactly to the same inode as them vma's one.
> >>>>:
> >>>>:     For example the ls -l of some arbitrary /proc/<pid>/map_files/
> >>>>:
> >>>>:      | lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Aug 26 06:40 7f8f80403000-7f8f80404000 -> /lib64/libc-2.5.so
> >>>>:      | lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Aug 26 06:40 7f8f8061e000-7f8f80620000 -> /lib64/libselinux.so.1
> >>>>:      | lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Aug 26 06:40 7f8f80826000-7f8f80827000 -> /lib64/libacl.so.1.1.0
> >>>>:      | lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Aug 26 06:40 7f8f80a2f000-7f8f80a30000 -> /lib64/librt-2.5.so
> >>>>:      | lr-x------ 1 root root 64 Aug 26 06:40 7f8f80a30000-7f8f80a4c000 -> /lib64/ld-2.5.so
> >>>>
> >>>>afacit this info is also available in /proc/pid/maps, so things
> >>>>shouldn't get worse if the /proc/pid/map_files permissions are at least
> >>>>as restrictive as the /proc/pid/maps permissions.  Is that the case?
> >>>>(Please add to changelog).
> >>>
> >>>Yes, the only difference is that you can follow the link as per above.
> >>>I'll resend with a new message explaining that and the deletion thing.
> >>>
> >>>>There's one other problem here: we're assuming that the map_files
> >>>>implementation doesn't have bugs.  If it does have bugs then relaxing
> >>>>permissions like this will create new vulnerabilities.  And the
> >>>>map_files implementation is surprisingly complex.  Is it bug-free?
> >>>
> >>>While I was messing with it I used it a good bit and didn't see any
> >>>issues, although I didn't actively try to fuzz it or anything. I'd be
> >>>happy to write something to test hammering it in weird ways if you like.
> >>>I'm also happy to write testcases for namespaces.
> >>>
> >>>So far as security issues, as others have pointed out you can't follow
> >>>the links unless you can ptrace the process in question, which seems
> >>>like a pretty solid guarantee. As Cyrill pointed out in the discussion
> >>>about the documentation, that's the same protection as /proc/N/fd/*, and
> >>>those links function in the same way.
> >>
> >>My concern here is that fd/* are connected as streams, and while that
> >>has a certain level of badness as an external-to-the-process attacker,
> >>PTRACE_MODE_READ is much weaker than PTRACE_MODE_ATTACH (which is
> >>required for access to /proc/N/mem). Since these fds are the things
> >>mapped into memory on a process, writing to them is a subset of access
> >>to /proc/N/mem, and I don't feel that PTRACE_MODE_READ is sufficient.
> >
> >If you haven't done close() on a mmapped file, doesn't fd/* allow the
> >same access to the corresponding regions of memory? Or am I missing
> >something?
> >
> >But that said, I can't think of any reason making it MODE_ATTACH would
> >be a problem. Would you rather that be enforced on follow_link() like
> >the original patch did, or enforce it for the whole directory?
> >
> >
> Whole directory would probably be better, as even just the mapped
> ranges could be considered sensitive information. 

You can already get the ranges that are mapped from /proc/N/maps with
PTRACE_MODE_READ, so that part isn't new information.

> Ideally, the check should be done on both follow_link(), and the
> directory itself.

Oh, I didn't mean restricting readdir(), I meant restricting any access
through the directory similar to how the original CAP_SYS_ADMIN check
was done.
 
Thanks,
Calvin

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-04  3:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-14  0:20 [RFC][PATCH] procfs: Add /proc/<pid>/mapped_files Calvin Owens
2015-01-14  0:23 ` Calvin Owens
2015-01-14 14:13 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2015-01-14 14:37   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2015-01-14 14:53     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2015-01-14 21:03       ` Calvin Owens
2015-01-14 22:45         ` Andrew Morton
2015-01-14 23:51           ` Rasmus Villemoes
2015-01-16  1:15             ` Andrew Morton
2015-01-16 11:00               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-14 15:25 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-14 15:33   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-14 20:46     ` Calvin Owens
2015-01-14 21:16       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-22  2:45         ` [RFC][PATCH] procfs: Always expose /proc/<pid>/map_files/ and make it readable Calvin Owens
2015-01-22  7:16           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-22 11:02           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-22 21:00             ` Calvin Owens
2015-01-22 21:27               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-23  5:52                 ` Calvin Owens
2015-01-24  3:15           ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Calvin Owens
2015-01-26 12:47             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-26 21:00               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-26 23:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2015-01-27  0:15                   ` Kees Cook
2015-01-27  7:37                     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-27 19:53                       ` Kees Cook
2015-01-27 21:35                         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-27 21:46                         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2015-01-27  0:19                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-27  6:46                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-27  6:50                     ` Andrew Morton
2015-01-27  7:23                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-01-28  4:38                   ` Calvin Owens
2015-01-30  1:30                     ` Kees Cook
2015-01-31  1:58                       ` Calvin Owens
2015-02-02 14:01                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-02-04  3:53                           ` Calvin Owens [this message]
2015-02-02 20:16                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04  3:28                           ` Calvin Owens
2015-02-12  2:29             ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Calvin Owens
2015-02-12  7:45               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-02-14 20:40               ` [RFC][PATCH v4] " Calvin Owens
2015-03-10 22:17                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-04-28 22:23                   ` Calvin Owens
2015-04-29  7:32                     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-05-19  3:10                 ` [PATCH v5] " Calvin Owens
2015-05-19  3:29                   ` Joe Perches
2015-05-19 18:04                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21  1:52                     ` Calvin Owens
2015-05-21  2:10                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-09  3:39                   ` [PATCH v6] " Calvin Owens
2015-06-09 17:27                     ` Kees Cook
2015-06-09 17:47                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-09 18:15                         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-06-09 21:13                     ` Andrew Morton
2015-06-10  1:39                       ` Calvin Owens
2015-06-10 20:58                         ` Andrew Morton
2015-06-11 11:10                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2015-06-11 18:49                             ` Andrew Morton
2015-06-12  9:55                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2015-06-19  2:32                     ` [PATCH v7] " Calvin Owens
2015-07-15 22:21                       ` Andrew Morton
2015-07-15 23:39                         ` Calvin Owens
2015-02-14 20:44               ` [PATCH] procfs: Return -ESRCH on /proc/N/fd/* when PID N doesn't exist Calvin Owens
2015-01-14 22:40 ` [RFC][PATCH] procfs: Add /proc/<pid>/mapped_files Kirill A. Shutemov

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