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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: "libc-alpha@sourceware.org" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"pinskia@gmail.com" <pinskia@gmail.com>,
	"musl@lists.openwall.com" <musl@lists.openwall.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Pinski <apinski@cavium.com>,
	Marcus Shawcroft <Marcus.Shawcroft@arm.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 00/24] ILP32 support in ARM64
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:33:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150213173345.GA26217@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150213163013.GE23507@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:30:13AM -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 01:33:56PM +0000, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:59:24PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> hat am 12. Februar 2015 um 19:17
> > > geschrieben:
> > > > The solution (for new ports) could be similar to the other such
> > > > solutions in the compat layer. A kernel internal structure which is
> > > > binary-compatible with the ILP32 user one (as exported by the kernel):
> > > >
> > > > struct ilp32_timespec_kernel_internal_only {
> > > > __kernel_time_t tv_sec; /* seconds */
> > > > int tv_nsec; /* nanoseconds */
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > and a syscall wrapper which converts between ilp32_timespec and timespec
> > > > (take compat_sys_clock_settime as an example).
> > > 
> > > We then have to to this on all architectures, and not call it ilp32_timespec,
> > > but call it something else.
> > > 
> > > I would much prefer to only have two versions of each syscall that takes a
> > > timespec rather than three versions, or having a version that behaves
> > > differently based on the type of program calling it. On native 32-bit
> > > systems, we should have the native syscall taking the 16-byte structure
> > > (using long long __kernel_time64_t)
> > 
> > Can this also be 12 bytes in general if tv_nsec stays as 32-bit? The
> > size of such structure would be 16 bytes on ARM but I guess this depends
> > on long long the alignment requirements on specific architectures.
> 
> The only archs with modern relevance I'm aware of where 64-bit types
> are not aligned are i386 and, by a regretable but hard-to-fix mistake,
> or1k. I don't have much opinion on whether the 64-bit-time_t timespec
> should be 12 bytes or 16 bytes on such archs. From my perspective it's
> a new ABI anyway so I'd like to be able to fix the 64-bit alignment
> issue at the same time, in which case the question would go away, but
> I'm sure others (glibc) will prefer a more transitional approach with
> symbol versioning or feature test macros or something.

The good thing about 16-byte timespec64 with appropriate (endianness
aware) struct padding is that the kernel can write tv_nsec to user as a
64-bit value (long on a 64-bit kernel). It's only the reading from user
that the 32-bit needs to be sign-extended into the kernel structure.

> > > In the kernel, it comes down to a function like
> > > 
> > > int get_user_timespec64(struct timespec64 *ts, struct __kernel_timespec64 __user
> > > *uts, bool task_32bit)
> > > {
> > >        struct __kernel_timespec64 input;
> > > 
> > >        if (copy_from_user(&input, uts, sizeof(input))
> > >               return -EFAULT;
> > > 
> > >        ts->tv_sec = input.tv_sec;
> > >        if (task_32bit)
> > >                ts->tv_nsec = (int)input.tv_nsec;
> > >        else
> > >                ts->tv_nsec = input.tv_nsec;
> > > 
> > >        return 0;
> > > }
> > 
> > The only drawback is that native 64-bit and new 32-bit have the same
> > handling path, potentially slowing down the former (it may not be
> > noticeable).
> 
> Offhand, I would not consider a single predictable branch on syscall
> entry or return to be noticable relative to general syscall overhead.

It's not just a check+branch but accessing some TIF flag which requires
reading the current_thread_info()->flags and testing it. It is probably
lost in the noise, unless you do such calls in loop where you may notice
a slight variation (it depends on the branch predictor as well; on some
architecture we may be able to make use of unlikely(task_32bit)).

> > > The data structure definition is a little bit fragile, as it depends on
> > > user space not using the __BIT_ENDIAN symbol in a conflicting way. So
> > > far we have managed to keep that outside of general purpose headers, but
> > > it should at least blow up in an obvious way if it does, rather than
> > > breaking silently.
> > > 
> > > I still think it's more practical to keep the zeroing in user space though.
> > > In that case, we keep defining __kernel_timespec64 with a 'typedef long
> > > long __kernel_snseconds_t', and it's up to the libc to either use
> > > __kernel_timespec64 as its timespec, or to define a C11-compliant
> > > timespec itself and zero out the bits before passing the data to the kernel.
> > 
> > The problem with doing this in user space is syscall(2). If we don't
> > allow it, then it's fine to do the padding in libc.
> 
> It's already the case that callers have to tiptoe around syscall(2)
> usage on a per-arch basis for silly things like the convention for
> passing 64-bit arguments on 32-bit archs, different arg orders to work
> around 64-bit alignment and issues with too many args, and various
> legacy issues. So I think manual use of syscall(2) is a less-critical
> issue, though of course from a libc perspective I would very much like
> for the kernel to handle it right.

I think there is another problem with sign-extending tv_nsec in libc.
The prototype for functions like clock_settime(2) take a const struct
timespec *. There isn't anything to prevent such structure being in a
read-only section, even though it is unlikely. So libc would have to
duplicate the structure rather than just sign-extending tv_nsec in
place.

BTW, I'll be offline for a week (holiday) and I won't be able to follow
up on this thread.

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-13 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-03 21:18 Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:18 ` [PATCH 01/24] ARM64: Force LP64 to compile the kernel Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:18 ` [PATCH 02/24] ARM64: Rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:18 ` [PATCH 03/24] ARM64: Change some CONFIG_COMPAT over to use CONFIG_AARCH32_EL0 instead Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:18 ` [PATCH 04/24] ARM64:ILP32: Set kernel_long to long long so we can reuse most of the same syscalls as LP64 Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:18 ` [PATCH 05/24] ARM64:UAPI: Set the correct __BITS_PER_LONG for ILP32 Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 06/24] Allow for some signal structures to be the same between a 32bit ABI and the 64bit ABI Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 07/24] ARM64:ILP32: Use the same size and layout of the signal structures for ILP32 as for LP64 Andrew Pinski
2014-09-18  3:41   ` zhangjian
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 08/24] Allow a 32bit ABI to use the naming of the 64bit ABI syscalls to avoid confusion of not splitting the registers Andrew Pinski
2014-09-04 10:11   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01 12:42     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-10-01 14:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 11:19         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 09/24] ARM64:ILP32: Use the same syscall names as LP64 Andrew Pinski
2014-10-01 12:48   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 10/24] ARM64: Introduce is_a32_task/is_a32_thread and TIF_AARCH32 and use them in the correct locations Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 11/24] ARM64: Add is_ilp32_compat_task and is_ilp32_compat_thread Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 12/24] ARM64:ILP32: COMPAT_USE_64BIT_TIME is true for ILP32 tasks Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 13/24] ARM64:ILP32: Use the non compat HWCAP for ILP32 Andrew Pinski
2014-10-01 13:12   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 14/24] ARM64:ILP32 use the standard start_thread for ILP32 so the processor state is not AARCH32 Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 15/24] compat_binfmt_elf: coredump: Allow some core dump macros be overridden for compat Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 16/24] ARM64:ILP32: Support core dump for ILP32 Andrew Pinski
2014-10-01 13:22   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 17/24] ARM64: Add loading of ILP32 binaries Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 18/24] ARM64: Add vdso for ILP32 and use it for the signal return Andrew Pinski
2014-09-10 14:31   ` Christopher Covington
2014-10-01 13:59   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-10-02 13:38   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 19/24] ptrace: Allow compat to use the native siginfo Andrew Pinski
2014-10-02 14:13   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 20/24] ARM64:ILP32: The native siginfo is used instead of the compat siginfo Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 21/24] ARM64:ILP32: Use a seperate syscall table as a few syscalls need to be using the compat syscalls Andrew Pinski
2014-10-02 15:23   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-10-02 15:46   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 22/24] ARM64:ILP32: Fix signal return for ILP32 when the user modified the signal stack Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 23/24] ARM64: Add ARM64_ILP32 to Kconfig Andrew Pinski
2014-09-03 21:19 ` [PATCH 24/24] Add documentation about ARM64 ILP32 ABI Andrew Pinski
2014-09-04 10:01   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 15:52 ` [PATCHv3 00/24] ILP32 support in ARM64 Catalin Marinas
2015-02-10 18:13   ` Rich Felker
2015-02-11 17:39     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-02-11 19:05       ` [musl] " Szabolcs Nagy
2015-02-11 19:22         ` H.J. Lu
2015-02-11 19:50         ` arnd
2015-02-11 20:12           ` Rich Felker
     [not found]             ` <1383502854.512344.1423688575473.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>
2015-02-11 21:09               ` arnd
2015-02-11 21:37               ` Rich Felker
2015-02-16 17:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-16 17:51                   ` Rich Felker
2015-02-16 19:38                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-12  8:12         ` Szabolcs Nagy
2015-02-12 17:07           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-02-11 19:21       ` Rich Felker
2015-02-12 18:17         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-02-12 18:59           ` arnd
2015-02-13 13:33             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-02-13 16:30               ` Rich Felker
2015-02-13 17:33                 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2015-02-13 18:37                   ` Rich Felker
2015-02-16 14:40                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-16 15:38                       ` Rich Felker
2015-02-16 16:54                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-02-11 18:33     ` H.J. Lu
2015-02-11 19:02       ` Rich Felker
2015-02-11 19:16         ` H.J. Lu
2015-02-11 19:25           ` Rich Felker
2015-02-11 19:34             ` H.J. Lu
2015-02-11 19:47               ` Rich Felker
2015-02-11 19:57                 ` H.J. Lu
2015-02-11 20:15                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-12 15:50                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-02-12 16:13                       ` Rich Felker
2015-02-12 16:30                       ` H.J. Lu
2015-02-12 17:00                         ` Rich Felker
2015-02-11 21:41         ` Joseph Myers

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