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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Vipul Pandya <vipul@chelsio.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/4] jbd2: revert must-not-fail allocation loops back to GFP_NOFAIL
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 22:42:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150302214247.GB31974@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1503021225090.20808@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Mon 02-03-15 12:33:21, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > This basically reverts 47def82672b3 (jbd2: Remove __GFP_NOFAIL from jbd2
> > layer). The deprecation of __GFP_NOFAIL was a bad choice because it led
> > to open coding the endless loop around the allocator rather than
> > removing the dependency on the non failing allocation. So the
> > deprecation was a clear failure and the reality tells us that
> > __GFP_NOFAIL is not even close to go away.
> > 
> > It is still true that __GFP_NOFAIL allocations are generally discouraged
> > and new uses should be evaluated and an alternative (pre-allocations or
> > reservations) should be considered but it doesn't make any sense to lie
> > the allocator about the requirements. Allocator can take steps to help
> > making a progress if it knows the requirements.
> > 
> 
> The changelog should state that this only changes the source code, there 
> is no functional change since alloc_buffer_head() and 
> kmem_cache_zalloc(transaction_cache) are already implicitly nofail due to 
> the allocation order.  The failure code added by the commit you cite are 
> never executed.

Well, even when those allocation would fail the resulting behavior is
basically the same (modulo congestion_wait which imho doesn't make much
difference). So I would prefer not getting that way and simply stay with
the external loop vs. looping within the allocator.

> I agree that if the implementation of the page allocator were to change 
> with respect to PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER that we'd need __GFP_NOFAIL and 
> that such an allocation is better handled in the page allocator.
> 
> > Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
> 
> Acked-by: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>

Thanks

> GFP_NOFS|__GFP_NOFAIL is scary.

Yes it is but as I've learned nothing unusual in the fs land and the
situation should be improved a lot if we go reservation way suggested by
David. Then __GFP_NOFAIL would consume the pre-reserved memory rather
than trigger OOM killer.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-02 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-02 13:54 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Clarify and cleanup some __GFP_NOFAIL usage Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 13:54 ` [RFC 1/4] mm: Clarify __GFP_NOFAIL deprecation status Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 20:34   ` David Rientjes
2015-03-02 13:54 ` [RFC 2/4] jbd2: revert must-not-fail allocation loops back to GFP_NOFAIL Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 20:33   ` David Rientjes
2015-03-02 21:42     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2015-03-02 13:54 ` [RFC 3/4] sparc: remove __GFP_NOFAIL reuquirement Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 20:04   ` David Miller
2015-03-02 20:33     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 20:44       ` David Miller
2015-03-02 21:36         ` [PATCH] sparc: clarify __GFP_NOFAIL allocation Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 21:45           ` David Miller
2015-03-02 13:54 ` [RFC 4/4] cxgb4: drop " Michal Hocko
2015-03-03 12:22   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-03 13:18     ` Michal Hocko

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