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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: "Pinski, Andrew" <Andrew.Pinski@caviumnetworks.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Andreas Kraschitzer <andreas.kraschitzer@theobroma-systems.com>,
	Benedikt Huber <benedikt.huber@theobroma-systems.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Pinski <apinski@cavium.com>,
	Kumar Sankaran <ksankaran@apm.com>,
	"Dr. Philipp Tomsich" <philipp.tomsich@theobroma-systems.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Christoph Muellner <christoph.muellner@theobroma-systems.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:56:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150414145643.GE14546@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8EFB0EC5-969B-40B1-BF72-359D9CB76B3F@caviumnetworks.com>

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:51:54AM +0000, Pinski, Andrew wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 April 2015 10:45:43 Pinski, Andrew wrote:
> >>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 3:08 AM, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> >>> There are multiple ways of doing this:
> >>> 
> >>> a) separate syscall table for arm64: as you say, this is the current approach,
> >>>  and I'd like to avoid that too
> >>> b) add syscalls for ilp32 as additional numbers in the normal lp64 version of
> >>>  asm-generic/unistd.h, and share the binary tables between ilp32 and lp64
> >>>  on aarch64
> >>> c) change asm-generic/unistd.h to generate three possible tables: instead of
> >>>  just native (lp64 or ilp32 depending on the arch), compat (support for
> >>>  existing ilp32 binaries on some architectures, there would also be a
> >>>  "modern" ilp32 variant that is a mix of the two, as your table today
> >>> d) don't use the asm-generic/unistd.h table for aarch64-ilp32 at all, but instead
> >>>  reuse the table from arch/arm64/include/asm/unistd32.h
> >>> 
> >>> I think you are referring to approach b) or c) above, but my preferred one
> >>> would actually be d).
> >> 
> >> D is the worst of all 4 options in my mind. The reason is when a new syscall is
> >> added, then you have to update that file too.
> > 
> > I don't know what the miscommunication is here, but the advantage of d is
> > specifically that it is /less/ work to maintain: With the current approach,
> > each new syscall that gets added needs to be checked to see if the normal
> > aarch64 version works or if it needs another wrapper, while with d) we
> > get the update for free, because we follow exactly what aarch32 is doing.
> 
> More than that d won't work due to ucontext being different between
> aarch32 and aarch64.

This too, I forgot to mention it (unless we restrict ILP32 to only 15
registers, reduced FP bank; in summary, it won't work).

> Also this abi is about to be used in a product so any changes need to
> happen fast and need to thought out why making changes to it make
> senses.

This is not our problem really. It's been pretty quiet on the ILP32
front for the past 6 months or more and just because a product is going
to use it is not an argument to accept a long term ABI.

> Changing to use the aarch32 syscall #'s make less sense since this is
> not a legacy syscalls. 

That I agree. I'm fine with 32-bit only data structures but I really
want to stick to the asm-generic/unistd.h syscalls for new ABIs.

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-14 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-13 19:44 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 01/24] arm64:ilp32: add documentation on the ILP32 ABI " Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 02/24] arm64: ensure the kernel is compiled for LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 03/24] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 04/24] arm64: change some CONFIG_COMPAT over to use CONFIG_AARCH32_EL0 instead Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 05/24] arm64:ilp32: expose 'kernel_long' as 'long long' for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 06/24] arm64:uapi: set __BITS_PER_LONG correctly for ILP32 and LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 07/24] arm64:ilp32: share signal structures between ILP32 and LP64 ABIs Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 08/24] arm64:ilp32: use 64bit syscall-names for ILP32 when passing 64bit registers Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 09/24] arm64:ilp32: use non-compat syscall names for ILP32 as for LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 10/24] arm64: introduce is_a32_task and is_a32_thread (for AArch32 compat) Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 11/24] arm64:ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task,thread} and TIF_32BIT_AARCH64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 12/24] arm64:ilp32: COMPAT_USE_64BIT_TIME is true for ILP32 tasks Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 13/24] arm64:ilp32: share HWCAP between LP64 and ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 14/24] arm64:ilp32 use the native LP64 'start_thread' for ILP32 threads Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 15/24] arm64:ilp32: support core dump generation for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 16/24] arm64: add support for starting ILP32 (ELFCLASS32) binaries Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 17/24] arm64:ilp32: add vdso-ilp32 and use for signal return Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 18/24] ptrace: Allow compat to use the native siginfo Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 19/24] arm64:ilp32: add sys_ilp32.c and a separate table (in entry.S) to use it Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 20/24] arm64:ilp32: use compat-syscalls for msgsnd and msgrcv for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 21/24] arm64:ilp32: use the native siginfo instead of the compat siginfo Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 22/24] arm64:ilp32: use compat for stack_t Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-05  0:03   ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 23/24] arm64:ilp32: change COMPAT_ELF_PLATFORM to report a a subplatform for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 24/24] arm64:ilp32: add ARM64_ILP32 to Kconfig Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 21:01 ` [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64 Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-13 22:58   ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14  9:40     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <AC03A80E-49F8-4A08-9DDA-0B9F8B734F51@theobroma-systems.com>
2015-04-14 10:08       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 10:45         ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 11:14           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 11:50             ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 14:07               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:00                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 22:28                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15  9:18                     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 10:01                       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 15:15                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 15:38                           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 17:01                             ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 17:22                               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 22:25                                 ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-16 11:03                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 11:19                                     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-16 11:33                                       ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-16 13:31                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 15:21                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17  9:01                                             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 13:17                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 14:06                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-17 14:46                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 15:15                                                   ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-18 19:24                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:29                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:32                                                         ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-04 14:43                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-05 13:11                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 15:49                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 15:56                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-20 17:40                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 14:37                                                 ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2015-04-16 14:27                                       ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                 ` <38FDDD2B-89C4-43C8-897D-A9DB6D023B7D@theobroma-systems.com>
2015-04-15 12:25                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 11:51             ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 14:56               ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2015-04-14 13:38           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 14:47         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 15:29           ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 16:55             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 10:31               ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 12:47               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 12:42             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:44           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 11:22             ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]               ` <721B7D5F-0A9A-45B7-8036-730ED54FB3AB@theobroma-systems.com>
2015-04-15 15:49                 ` Catalin Marinas

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