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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Julian Anastasov <ja@ssi.bg>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, neilb@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Introduce TASK_NOLOAD and TASK_IDLE
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:25:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150512122545.GN21418@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1505112154420.1749@ja.home.ssi.bg>

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:34:11PM +0300, Julian Anastasov wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2015, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > > - schedule_timeout_idle (instead of schedule_timeout call):
> > > 	__set_current_state(TASK_IDLE);
> > > 	return schedule_timeout(timeout);
> > > 
> > > 	- we here are really idle, so "N" looks ok
> > 
> > So I don't get the point of the schedule_timeout_*() stubs. What are
> > they for? Why would one use an unconditional schedule_timeout() call?
> > Isn't that what msleep() is for?
> 
> 	msleep will not return until timeout has expired.
> Instead, we want to notice the kthread_should_stop() event
> immediately. Additionally, TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE will increase
> the load average. We can do it with extra wait queue
> and the new __wait_event_idle_timeout but I guess
> schedule_timeout_idle will be a good replacement for
> schedule_timeout_interruptible calls when used for kthreads.

Fair enough I suppose, but then calling it schedule*() is just plain
wrong, it does not behave/act like a normal schedule() call.

Lemme go look at how widely abused that is.

*sigh*, its all over the place :/

$ git grep "schedule_timeout_\(interruptible\|killable\|uninterruptible\)" | wc -l
392

That said; I still don't see the point of schedule_timeout_idle(), we
should not sleep poll for state like that. We should only use TASK_IDLE
when we are in fact _IDLE_ and do not have work to do, at which point
one should use an wait_event() like construct to wait for new work.

> > + * like wait_event_timeout() -- except it uses TASK_IDLE to avoid loadavg
> > + */
> > +#define wait_event_idle_timeout(wq, condition, timeout)			\
> > +({									\
> > +	long __ret = timeout;						\
> > +	might_sleep();							\
> > +	if (!___wait_cond_timeout(condition))				\
> > +		ret = __wait_event_idle_timeout(wq, condition, timeout);\
> 
> 	ret may need underscores here...

I'm fairly sure that might aid in compilation indeed :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-12 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-08 12:47 Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-09  8:49 ` Julian Anastasov
2015-05-11  7:11   ` NeilBrown
2015-05-11 14:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-11 19:34     ` Julian Anastasov
2015-05-12 12:25       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-05-13  7:22         ` Julian Anastasov

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