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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	adrian.hunter@intel.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Vince Weaver <vince@deater.net>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] perf: Introduce extended syscall error reporting
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:41:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150826114111.01675d8eadda78d82933d8a5@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150826072656.GA19305@gmail.com>

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:26:56 +0200 Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:

> 
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > ... but back then I didn't feel like complicating an error recovery ABI for the 
> > needs of the 1%, robust error handling is all about simplicity: if it's not 
> > simple, tools won't use it.
> 
> And note that it needs to be 'simple' in two places for usage to grow naturally: 
> 
>   - the usage site in the kernel
>   - the tooling side that recovers the information.
> 
> That's why I think that such a form:
> 
> 	return err_str(-EINVAL, "x86/perf: CPU does not support precise sampling");
> 
> is obviously simple on the kernel side as it returns -EINVAL, and is very simple 
> on the tooling side as well, if we are allowed to extend prctl().
> 

Is this whole thing overkill?  As far as I can see, the problem which is
being addressed only occurs in a couple of places (perf, wifi netlink
handling) and could be addressed with some local pr_debug statements.  ie,

#define err_str(e, s) ({
	if (debugging)
		pr_debug("%s:%d: error %d (%s)", __FILE__, __LINE__, e, s);
	e;
})

(And I suppose that if this is later deemed inadequate, err_str() could
be made more fancy).


IOW, do we really need some grand kernel-wide infrastructural thing to
adequately address this problem?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-26 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-24 14:32 Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-24 14:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] " Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-31 18:47   ` Andy Shevchenko
2015-09-01  6:38     ` Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-24 14:32 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] perf: Add file name and line number to perf extended error reports Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-24 14:32 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] perf: Annotate some of the error codes with perf_err() Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-24 14:32 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] perf/x86: " Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-24 14:32 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] perf/x86/intel/pt: Use extended error reporting in event initialization Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-24 14:33 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] perf/x86/intel/bts: " Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-25  8:22 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] perf: Introduce extended syscall error reporting Ingo Molnar
2015-08-25  8:52 ` Johannes Berg
2015-08-25  9:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-25  9:17     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-25  9:34       ` Johannes Berg
2015-08-25 10:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-25 10:19           ` Johannes Berg
2015-08-26  4:49             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <CA+55aFw--OFczoY=v17+e2-Q3O0GXnMKRuwzpYpB2qKBpZo=fw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-08-26  7:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-26  7:06                 ` Johannes Berg
2015-08-26  7:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-26  7:26                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-26 16:56                       ` Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-26 20:58                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-09-11 16:11                           ` Alexander Shishkin
2015-08-26 18:41                       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2015-08-26 20:05                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-26 20:22                           ` Andrew Morton
2015-08-26 20:50                             ` Vince Weaver
2015-08-26 20:56                               ` Andrew Morton
2015-08-26 21:14                                 ` Vince Weaver
2015-08-28 10:07                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-26 21:04                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-08-26  7:36                     ` Johannes Berg
2015-08-26 11:37       ` Alexander Shishkin

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