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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: "平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI" <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Denys Vlasenko" <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Qiaowei Ren" <qiaowei.ren@intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] x86/insn: perf tools: Add a few new x86 instructions
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 14:55:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150901125512.GA13857@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E595B5.7090407@intel.com>


* Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:

> > Agreed, what I concern is that someone finds a bug and fixes one of them and 
> > another is not fixed.
> > 
> > I'll see the forked version and check if it can be merged into the kernel.
> 
> Ever since Linus complained about perf tools including kernel headers, I have 
> assumed we should have separate source code.  That email thread was not cc'ed to 
> a mailing list but here is a quote:
> 
> Em Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 08:53:46AM -0700, Linus Torvalds escreveu:
>
> > So this is more fundamental, and looks like it's just due to perf abusing the 
> > kernel headers, and now that rbtree has rcu support ("rbtree: Make lockless 
> > searches non-fatal"), it gets tons of headers included that really don't work 
> > from user space.
> >
> > There might be other things going on, but the rbtree one seems to be a big 
> > one. I think perf needs to get its own rbtree header or something, instead of 
> > doing that insane "let's include random core kernel headers" thing.

Note that even plain copying and occasional back-merges isn't a bad solution: it's 
better than 'messy sharing' of code.

But we can also share code in a bit more organized fashion, and any of the two 
solutions I proposed solve these complications:

 - if we do the diff -u check warning during perf build then the forked versions
   won't stay forked for long. This is the simplest variant.

 - if we librarize this functionality into tools/lib/x86/decode/ (and make sure 
   it's a library that can be linked into the kernel) then we are back to shared 
   code.

The problem wasn't to share code per se, the problem was to share code in a messy 
way, without making it apparent that it's shared code: which made it easy to break 
the tools/perf build via harmless looking kernel side changes.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-01 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-31 13:58 Adrian Hunter
2015-08-31 13:58 ` [PATCH 1/4] perf tools: Add a test for decoding of " Adrian Hunter
2015-09-01  0:18   ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI
2015-09-01  8:17     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-09-01 11:03       ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI
2015-08-31 13:58 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/insn: perf tools: Pedantically tweak opcode map for MPX instructions Adrian Hunter
2015-08-31 14:48   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-08-31 13:58 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/insn: perf tools: Add new SHA instructions Adrian Hunter
2015-08-31 14:50   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-08-31 18:58     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-09-01  0:08   ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI
2015-08-31 13:58 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86/insn: perf tools: Add new memory instructions Adrian Hunter
2015-08-31 14:43 ` [PATCH 0/4] x86/insn: perf tools: Add a few new x86 instructions Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-09-01  8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-01 11:38   ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI
2015-09-01 12:10     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-09-01 12:55       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-09-01 15:13       ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI
2015-09-01 12:16   ` Adrian Hunter
2015-09-01 13:56     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-09-01 13:59     ` Jiri Olsa
2015-09-01 14:55       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-09-01 19:57     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-09-02  5:59       ` Jiri Olsa
2015-09-02  6:41         ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI
2015-09-02  7:39           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-02 10:27             ` 平松雅巳 / HIRAMATU,MASAMI

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