From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
xen-devel <Xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] x86/paravirt: Fix baremetal paravirt MSR ops
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:58:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150917085807.GH3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1442445946.git.luto@kernel.org>
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 04:33:11PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> Setting CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y has an unintended side effect: it silently
> turns all rdmsr and wrmsr operations into the safe variants without
> any checks that the operations actually succeed.
>
> This is IMO awful: it papers over bugs. In particular, KVM gueests
> might be unwittingly depending on this behavior because
> CONFIG_KVM_GUEST currently depends on CONFIG_PARAVIRT. I'm not
> aware of any such problems, but applying this series would be a good
> way to shake them out.
>
> Fix it so that the MSR operations work the same on CONFIG_PARAVIRT=n
> and CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y as long as Xen isn't being used. The Xen
> maintainers are welcome to make a similar change on top of this.
>
> Since there's plenty of time before the next merge window, I think
> we should apply and fix anything that breaks.
>
> Doing this is probably a prerequisite to sanely decoupling
> CONFIG_KVM_GUEST and CONFIG_PARAVIRT, which would probably make
> Arjan and the rest of the Clear Containers people happy :)
So I actually like this, although by Ingo's argument, its a tad risky.
But the far greater problem I have with the whole virt thing is that
you cannot use rdmsr_safe() to probe if an MSR exists at all because, as
you told me, these virt thingies return 0 for all 'unknown' MSRs instead
of faulting.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-09-17 9:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-16 23:33 Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-16 23:33 ` [PATCH 1/3] x86/paravirt: Add _safe to the read_msr and write_msr PV hooks Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-16 23:33 ` [PATCH 2/3] x86/paravirt: Add paravirt_{read,write}_msr Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-16 23:33 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86/paravirt: Make "unsafe" MSR accesses unsafe even if PARAVIRT=y Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-17 7:19 ` [PATCH 0/3] x86/paravirt: Fix baremetal paravirt MSR ops Ingo Molnar
2015-09-17 9:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-17 11:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-09-17 11:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-17 15:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-17 15:32 ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2015-09-17 15:37 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-17 15:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-17 15:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-09-17 15:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-17 15:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-09-17 15:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-17 17:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-17 18:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-17 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-09-17 11:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-17 12:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-17 15:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-17 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-17 15:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-17 15:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-17 9:10 ` [Xen-devel] " Andrew Cooper
2015-09-17 15:11 ` Boris Ostrovsky
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