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From: "George Spelvin" <linux@horizon.com>
To: ahferroin7@gmail.com, andi@firstfloor.org, jepler@unpythonic.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux@horizon.com,
	linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk, tytso@mit.edu
Subject: Re: Updated scalable urandom patchkit
Date: 13 Oct 2015 17:10:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151013211030.30325.qmail@ns.horizon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151013162044.GD3533@two.firstfloor.org>

> Ted's patch peaks at 350K with four CPUs, but then quickly degrades to
> 50K ops/s at 20+ CPUs. At 144 CPUs it is slightly faster again at ~80K.

Good to know, thanks!  With its race conditions, it's basically a "best
case" for that particular design, which tells me that more significant
changes are required.

Off hand, do you know how large a read each operation is?  I want to
reduce mixback from once per 10 bytes to once per read, and the size
ratio will give me some idea of how large an improvement to expect.

> Spelvin's patch peaks at only 140K at 2 CPUs (so it's slower than base line),
> stays around 120K upto 20, then degrades quickly to 50K and then slowly
> improves again to ~80K.

Sorry to make you go to the trouble; I knew from discussions with Ted
that it wasn't going to work.  It was mostly just in the form of a patch
for the sake of a more concrete discussion.

I'll have a patch that I hope will do some good for testing in a couple
of hours.

> The duplicated pool patch is ~200K upto 20 CPus, 400K upto 40, 600K at
> slightly below 60 CPUs, and then very slowly degrades to 520K at 144. 

Shitty performance is practically a design goal of /dev/urandom.  You
are NOT supposed to hit it more than once per minute per thread.

But since we have a real-world problem with it, Ted's "abusse mitigation
mode" idea (where the kernel does what the app should do: seed a private
CPRNG and use that) will provide good security at extremely high access
rates.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-13 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-10 18:45 George Spelvin
2015-10-11  2:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-11  2:53   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-11  4:35   ` George Spelvin
2015-10-11 22:25     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12  0:16       ` George Spelvin
2015-10-12  4:05         ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12  7:49           ` George Spelvin
2015-10-12 13:54             ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-12 20:30               ` George Spelvin
2015-10-12 20:34                 ` George Spelvin
2015-10-13  2:46                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-13  3:50                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-10-13  7:50                     ` George Spelvin
2015-10-13  6:24                   ` George Spelvin
2015-10-13 16:20                   ` Andi Kleen
2015-10-13 21:10                     ` George Spelvin [this message]
2015-10-14  2:15                       ` Andi Kleen
2015-10-16  5:28                         ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Alternate sclable urandom patchset George Spelvin
2015-10-16  5:29                           ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] random: Reduce stack usage in _xfer_secondary_pool George Spelvin
2015-10-16  5:30                           ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] random: Remove two unused arguments from extract_entropy() George Spelvin
2015-10-16  5:33                           ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] random: Only do mixback once per read George Spelvin
2015-10-16  6:12                             ` kbuild test robot
2015-10-16  8:11                               ` George Spelvin
2015-10-16  6:23                             ` kbuild test robot
2015-10-16  5:34                           ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] random: Make non-blocking mixback non-blocking George Spelvin
2015-10-21  8:27                       ` Updated scalable urandom patchkit George Spelvin
2015-10-21 11:47                         ` Andi Kleen
2015-10-21 18:10                           ` George Spelvin
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2015-09-24 17:19 Andi Kleen

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