From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
Cc: Noam Camus <noamc@ezchip.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com>,
Gilad Ben Yossef <giladb@ezchip.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org"
<linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org>,
"dvhart@linux.intel.com" <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
"dsahern@gmail.com" <dsahern@gmail.com>,
"acme@redhat.com" <acme@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC] perf: fix building for ARCv1
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:11:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151020101133.GA17308@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C2D7FE5348E1B147BCA15975FBA23075F44CB43D@IN01WEMBXA.internal.synopsys.com>
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 08:00:46AM +0000, Vineet Gupta wrote:
> On Monday 19 October 2015 03:22 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:46:35AM +0000, Vineet Gupta wrote:
> >> On ARC we could use the atomic EXchange to implement a user space only binary
> >> semaphore - these atomic ops will be small duration so it is OK to spin wait for a
> >> little bit. That's how the old pthread library worked for ARC w/o any atomic support.
> > That has the obvious problem of lock-holder-preemption and the horrible
> > performance issues that result from that.
> >
> > I think the syscall at least has deterministic behaviour, whereas that
> > userspace spin loop has this abysmal worst case thing.
>
> I don't have issue with adding the syscall per-se. But that comes with it's own
> headaches of ABI change - more importantly it requires several things to match,
> libc, kernel... It would be easier if change was confined to say perf.
OTOH fixing all those would get you a 'sane' system :-)
> Can we use existing syscall(s) - again this is what our good old pthread library
> code did.
>
> static void __pthread_acquire(int * spinlock)
> {
> int cnt = 0;
> struct timespec tm;
>
> READ_MEMORY_BARRIER();
>
> while (testandset(spinlock)) { <---- atomic EXchange
> if (cnt < 50) {
> sched_yield();
> cnt++;
> } else {
> tm.tv_sec = 0;
> tm.tv_nsec = 2000001;
> nanosleep(&tm, ((void *)0));
> cnt = 0;
> }
> }
*shudder* that is quite horrible.
This means all your 'atomics' are broken for anything SCHED_FIFO and the
like. You simply _cannot_ run a realtime system.
(also, for ACQUIRE you want the READ_MEMORY_BARRIER() _after_ the
test-and-set control dependency.)
But its your arch..
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-20 10:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1445088959-3058-1-git-send-email-abrodkin@synopsys.com>
2015-10-17 14:19 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-18 11:15 ` Alexey Brodkin
2015-10-18 23:14 ` Andi Kleen
2015-10-19 4:58 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-19 5:49 ` Andi Kleen
2015-10-19 9:28 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-19 9:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-19 9:46 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-19 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-19 10:04 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-20 8:00 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-20 10:11 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-10-20 10:45 ` Vineet Gupta
2015-10-29 15:58 ` Alexey Brodkin
2015-10-30 6:19 ` Vineet Gupta
2016-02-03 16:20 ` Alexey Brodkin
[not found] ` <1454516455.2811.4.camel__10775.5710989752$1454516490$gmane$org@synopsys.com>
2016-02-04 4:13 ` Vineet Gupta
2016-02-05 11:18 ` Noam Camus
[not found] ` <20160205161027.GG28242@kernel.org>
2016-02-10 3:09 ` Vineet Gupta
2016-10-18 18:58 ` Vineet Gupta
2016-10-24 16:17 ` [PATCH-v2] ARC: syscall for userspace cmpxchg assist Vineet Gupta
2016-11-04 20:16 ` Vineet Gupta
2016-11-07 18:50 ` [PATCH] ARC: tweak semantics of " Vineet Gupta
2015-10-30 6:21 ` [RFC] perf: fix building for ARCv1 Vineet Gupta
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