From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@imgtec.com>
Cc: "Will Deacon" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
"David Daney" <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>,
"Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Ralf Baechle" <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock()
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:11:19 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160128011119.GA28090@fixme-laptop.cn.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1601271224550.5958@tp.orcam.me.uk>
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Hi Maciej,
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:41:29PM +0000, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Will Deacon wrote:
>
> > > Overall I think it should be safe after all to use SYNC_RELEASE and other
> > > modern lightweight barriers uncondtionally under the assumption that
> > > architecture was meant to remain backward compatible. Even though it
> > > might be possible someone would implement unusual semantics for the then
> > > undefined `stype' values, I highly doubt it as it would be extra effort
> > > and hardware logic space for no gain. We could try and reach architecture
> > > overseers to double-check whether the `stype' encodings, somewhat
> > > irregularly distributed, were indeed defined in a manner so as not to
> > > clash with values implementers chose to use before rev. 2.61 of the
> > > architecture specification.
> >
> > Do you know whether a SYNC 18 (RELEASE) followed in program order by a
> > SYNC 17 (ACQUIRE) creates a full barrier (i.e. something like SYNC 16)?
>
> By my reading of architecture specifications it does. Specifically
> SYNC_RELEASE (18) applies to older loads and stores, and newer stores, and
> SYNC_ACQUIRE (17) applies to older loads, and newer loads and stores. So
> the two combined ought to be the equivalent to SYNC_MB (16), which applies
> to both older and newer loads and stores. Of course care has to be taken
Hmm.. so the following reordering couldn't happen?
Program order:
LOAD A
SYNC_RELEASE
STORE B
LOAD C
SYNC_ACQUIRE
LOAD D
First becomes:
LOAD C <------------ SYNC_RELEASE doesn't order newer loads.
LOAD A
SYNC_RELEASE
STORE B
SYNC_ACQUIRE
LOAD D
And then becomes:
LOAD C
<SYNC_ACQUIRE> <---- SYNC_ACQUIRE still affect those loads.
LOAD D <------------ SYNC_RELEASE doesn't order newer loads.
LOAD A
SYNC_RELEASE
STORE B
SYNC_ACQUIRE
<SYNC_ACQUIRE> here doesn't mean that SYNC instructions can be
reordered, it here means that the reordering doesn't break
SYNC_ACQUIRE's guarantee.
I ask this because some architectures(e.g. PPC) allows this kind of
reordering. Please see "ACQUIRING FUNCTIONS" in memory-barriers.txt for
more information. Thank you ;-)
Regards,
Boqun
> about what happens between SYNC_RELEASE and SYNC_ACQUIRE. This is still
> more lightweight than classic SYNC (0). See the architecture documents,
> e.g. the MIPS32 one[1] for details.
>
> References:
>
> [1] "MIPS Architecture For Programmers, Volume II-A: The MIPS32
> Instruction Set", MIPS Technologies, Inc., Document Number: MD00086,
> Revision 5.04, December 11, 2013, Table 4.7 "Encodings of the
> Bits[10:6] of the SYNC instruction; the SType Field", p. 305
>
> HTH,
>
> Maciej
>
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-12 12:31 Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 13:31 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 14:50 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 17:46 ` David Daney
2015-11-12 18:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 18:13 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 18:17 ` David Daney
2016-01-27 9:57 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-27 11:43 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 12:41 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-28 1:11 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2016-01-27 14:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-27 15:21 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 23:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-28 9:57 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-28 22:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-29 9:59 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-29 10:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-01 13:56 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 3:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 5:19 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 6:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 8:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 8:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 9:34 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 17:51 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 19:30 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 19:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-03 19:13 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03 8:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 13:32 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03 19:03 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-09 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-09 11:42 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 22:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 14:49 ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 14:54 ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 14:58 ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 15:51 ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 17:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-02 22:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 11:45 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:12 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 12:20 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 13:18 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:37 ` Will Deacon
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