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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
Cc: Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hpe.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hpe.com>,
	Douglas Hatch <doug.hatch@hpe.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] locking/rwsem: Add reader-owned state to the owner field
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 13:09:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160516110948.GM3193@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <573615AD.60300@hurleysoftware.com>

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:58:05AM -0700, Peter Hurley wrote:
> > Note that barrier() and READ_ONCE() have overlapping but not identical
> > results and the combined use actually makes sense here.
> > 
> > Yes, a barrier() anywhere in the loop will force a reload of the
> > variable, _however_ it doesn't force that reload to not suffer from
> > load tearing.
> > 
> > Using volatile also forces a reload, but also ensures the load cannot
> > be torn IFF it is of machine word side and naturally aligned.
> > 
> > So while the READ_ONCE() here is pointless for forcing the reload;
> > that's already ensured, we still need to make sure the load isn't torn.
> 
> If load tearing a naturally aligned pointer is a real code generation
> possibility then the rcu list code is broken too (which loads ->next
> directly; cf. list_for_each_entry_rcu() & list_for_each_entry_lockless()).
> 
> For 4.4, Paul added READ_ONCE() checks for list_empty() et al, but iirc
> that had to do with control dependencies and not load tearing.

Well, Paul is the one who started the whole load/store tearing thing, so
I suppose he knows what he's doing.

That said; its a fairly recent as things go so lots of code hasn't been
updated yet, and its also a very unlikely thing for a compiler to do;
since it mostly doesn't make sense to emit multiple instructions where
one will do, so its not a very high priority thing either.

But from what I understand, the compiler is free to emit all kinds of
nonsense for !volatile loads/stores.

> OTOH, this patch might actually produce store-tearing:
> 
> +static inline void rwsem_set_reader_owned(struct rw_semaphore *sem)
> +{
> +	/*
> +	 * We check the owner value first to make sure that we will only
> +	 * do a write to the rwsem cacheline when it is really necessary
> +	 * to minimize cacheline contention.
> +	 */
> +	if (sem->owner != RWSEM_READER_OWNED)
> +		sem->owner = RWSEM_READER_OWNED;
> +}

Correct; which is why we should always use {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() for
anything that is used locklessly.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-16 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-07  0:20 Waiman Long
2016-05-07  4:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-05-08  3:04   ` Waiman Long
2016-05-09  8:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-10  2:24   ` Waiman Long
2016-05-10  7:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-09 18:44 ` Jason Low
2016-05-10 13:03 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-11 22:04 ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-12 20:15   ` Waiman Long
2016-05-12 21:27     ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-12 23:13       ` Waiman Long
2016-05-13 15:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-13 17:58     ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-15 14:47       ` Waiman Long
2016-05-16 11:09       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-05-16 12:17         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-16 14:17           ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-16 17:22             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-17 19:46               ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-17 19:53                 ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-16 17:50             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-17 19:15               ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-17 19:46                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-18 11:05                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-18 15:56                     ` Waiman Long
2016-05-18 17:28                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-18 17:26                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-19  9:00                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-19 13:43                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-05-19  1:37 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-19  8:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 22:56   ` Waiman Long

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