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From: Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
	Rajaram R <rajaram.officemail@gmail.com>,
	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>,
	Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 10:30:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160527073018.GB22411@kuha.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160525151947.GB19413@roeck-us.net>

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 08:19:47AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0300, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 02:51:40PM +0200, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 15:44 +0300, Heikki Krogerus wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > as this discussion seems to go in circles, I am starting anew
> > > at the top.
> > > 
> > > > Like I've told some of you guys, I'm trying to implement a bus for
> > > > the Alternate Modes, but I'm still nowhere near finished with that
> > > > one, so let's just get the class ready now. The altmode bus should in
> > > > any case not affect the userspace interface proposed in this patch.
> > > > 
> > > > As you can see, the Alternate Modes are handled completely differently
> > > > compared to the original proposal. Every Alternate Mode will have
> > > > their own device instance (which will be then later bound to an
> > > > Alternate Mode specific driver once we have the bus), but also every
> > > > partner, cable and cable plug will have their own device instances
> > > > representing them.
> > > 
> > > The API works for a DFP. I fail to see how the UFP learns about entering
> > > an alternate mode.
> > > Secondly, support to trigger a reset is missing
> > 
> > I'm fine with adding an attribute for port and cable resets if it's
> > something that is needed. So do you want to be able to execute hard
> > reset on a port?
> > 
> > But could you please explain the case(s) where you need to tricker a
> > reset.
> > 
> > > > An other change is that the data role is now handled in two ways.
> > > > The current_data_role file will represent static mode of the port, and
> > > > it will use the names for the roles as they are defined in the spec:
> > > > DFP, UFP and DRP. This file should be used if the port needs to be
> > > 
> > > Good, but support for Try.SRC and Try.SNK is missing.
> > 
> > OK, but what is Try.SNK? It's not in the specs?
> > 
> 
> It is not in the USB PD specification, but in "USB Type-C Specification
> Release 1.2 - Cable and Connector Specification".
> 
> Section 4.5.2.2.11, "Try.SNK State", says
> 
> "Note: if both Try.SRC and Try.SNK mechanisms are implemented, only one
>  shall be enabled by the port at any given time. Deciding which of these
>  two mechanisms is enabled is product design-specific."
> 
> ... which is why I suggested earlier that there should be a platform
> parameter to enable one or the other.

Heh, I'm still living the year 2015 :). I've missed the Type-C 1.2
spec.


Thanks guys,

-- 
heikki

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-27  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-19 12:44 Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 14:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-20 11:24   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 13:37     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-21  5:51       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-21  6:43         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-22 15:54           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23  5:34             ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 13:27               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23 13:58                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 14:43                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23 15:55                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 16:52                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24 10:08                         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 10:18                           ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-24 11:04                             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 14:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-19 15:43   ` Greg KH
2016-05-20 10:58     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 17:53 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-20 10:47   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 17:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23  9:23       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 14:19 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23  9:57   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-23 11:25     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 17:09       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24  9:06         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-24  9:32       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 12:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-25 11:28   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 15:19     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:30       ` Heikki Krogerus [this message]
2016-05-24 13:42 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 11:30   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 13:12     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24 19:28 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 11:51   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 13:21     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 14:04       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 14:20         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-25 14:59           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:29             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH] usb: typec: Various API updates and fixes Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:55   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-27 14:06     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-30 12:48       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-30 13:19 ` [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-30 13:59   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31  8:31     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31  8:48       ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31 12:09         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31 12:43           ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31 17:20             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-01  8:23               ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-01  8:31                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01  9:04                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01 13:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  6:24                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-02  6:37                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  7:43                         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31 17:14       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-01  9:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01 23:29   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  6:30     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-02  8:27       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-02 10:18     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-02 16:12       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-03 13:21         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 13:51           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-03 15:17             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 18:39               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-06 13:28                 ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 13:35                   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-07  8:23                     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-07 16:57                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  8:02   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 20:20 ` Pavel Machek
2016-06-06 13:45   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 14:41     ` Greg KH
2016-06-07  8:25       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 16:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-10 14:34 ` [RFC PATCHv3] " Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-11  7:05   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-11 18:03     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-13  7:49       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-13  7:48     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-21 13:08 ` [RFC PATCHv2] " Oliver Neukum
2016-06-21 13:24   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-21 19:43     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-21 21:37       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-21 13:58   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-21 20:43     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-22  9:31       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-22 10:08         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-22 11:19           ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-08-07 21:37           ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-08  8:52             ` Oliver Neukum

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