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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	manfred@colorfullife.com, dave@stgolabs.net,
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	cmetcalf@mellanox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v4 5/7] locking, arch: Update spin_unlock_wait()
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 15:48:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160603134842.GB3693@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160603124734.GK9915@arm.com>

On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 01:47:34PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Now, the normal atomic_foo_acquire() stuff uses smp_mb() as per
> > smp_mb__after_atomic(), its just ARM64 and PPC that go all 'funny' and
> > need this extra barrier. Blergh. So lets shelf this issue for a bit.
> 
> Hmm... I certainly plan to get qspinlock up and running for arm64 in the
> near future, so I'm not keen on shelving it for very long.

Sure; so short term we could always have arm64/ppc specific versions of
these functions where the difference matters.

Alternatively we need to introduce yet another barrier like:

	smp_mb__after_acquire()

Or something like that, which is a no-op by default except for arm64 and
ppc.

But I'm thinking nobody really wants more barrier primitives :/ (says he
who just added one).

> > This unordered store however, can be delayed (store buffer) such that
> > the loads from spin_unlock_wait/spin_is_locked can pass up before it
> > (even on TSO arches).
> 
> Right, and this is surprisingly similar to the LL/SC problem imo.

Yes and no. Yes because its an unordered store, no because a competing
ll/sc cannot make it fail the store and retry as done per your and
boqun's fancy solution.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-03 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-02 11:51 [PATCH -v4 0/7] spin_unlock_wait borkage and assorted bits Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:51 ` [PATCH -v4 1/7] locking: Replace smp_cond_acquire with smp_cond_load_acquire Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:51 ` [PATCH -v4 2/7] locking: Introduce smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:52 ` [PATCH -v4 3/7] locking: Move smp_cond_load_acquire() to asm-generic/barrier.h Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:52 ` [PATCH -v4 4/7] locking, tile: Provide TILE specific smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:52 ` [PATCH -v4 5/7] locking, arch: Update spin_unlock_wait() Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 14:24   ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-02 14:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 15:11       ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-02 15:57         ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-02 16:04         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 16:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 17:57         ` Will Deacon
2016-06-02 21:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 12:47             ` Will Deacon
2016-06-03 13:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 17:35                 ` Will Deacon
2016-06-03 19:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-03 13:48               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-06-06 16:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-07 11:43             ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-07 12:00               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-07 12:45                 ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-07 17:36                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:52 ` [PATCH -v4 6/7] locking: Update spin_unlock_wait users Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-02 11:52 ` [PATCH -v4 7/7] locking,netfilter: Fix nf_conntrack_lock() Peter Zijlstra

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