From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
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"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] Restartable sequences system call
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:27:10 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160804042710.GA13232@tardis.cn.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWw0M9YLWTR7_ruxY8cW9_5XRONdw1QN+_pBp0Y63L8pA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 09:37:57AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 03:02:19AM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> >> We really care about preemption here. Every migration implies a
> >> preemption from a user-space perspective. If we would only care
> >> about keeping the CPU id up-to-date, hooking into migration would be
> >> enough. But since we want atomicity guarantees for restartable
> >> sequences, we need to hook into preemption.
> >
> >> It allows user-space to perform update operations on per-cpu data without
> >> requiring heavy-weight atomic operations.
> >
> > Well, a CMPXCHG without LOCK prefix isn't all that expensive on x86.
> >
> > It is however on PPC and possibly other architectures, so in name of
> > simplicity supporting only the one variant makes sense.
> >
>
> I wouldn't want to depend on CMPXCHG. But imagine we had primitives
> that were narrower than the full abort-on-preemption primitive.
> Specifically, suppose we had abort if (actual cpu != expected_cpu ||
> *aptr != aval). We could do things like:
>
> expected_cpu = cpu;
> aval = NULL; // disarm for now
> begin();
> aval = event_count[cpu] + 1;
> event_count[cpu] = aval;
> event_count[cpu]++;
This line is redundant, right? Because it will guarantee a failure even
in no-contention cases.
>
> ... compute something ...
>
> // arm the rest of it
> aptr = &event_count[cpu];
> if (*aptr != aval)
> goto fail;
>
> *thing_im_writing = value_i_computed;
> end();
>
> The idea here is that we don't rely on the scheduler to increment the
> event count at all, which means that we get to determine the scope of
> what kinds of access conflicts we care about ourselves.
>
If we increase the event count in userspace, how could we prevent two
userspace threads from racing on the event_count[cpu] field? For
example:
CPU 0
================
{event_count[0] is initially 0}
[Thread 1]
begin();
aval = event_count[cpu] + 1; // 1
(preempted)
[Thread 2]
begin();
aval = event_count[cpu] + 1; // 1, too
event_count[cpu] = aval; // event_count[0] is 1
(preempted)
[Thread 1]
event_count[cpu] = aval; // event_count[0] is 1
...
aptr = &event_count[cpu];
if (*aptr != aval) // false.
...
[Thread 2]
aptr = &event_count[cpu];
if (*aptr != aval) // false.
...
, in which case, both the critical sections are successful, and Thread 1
and Thread 2 will race on *thing_im_writing.
Am I missing your point here?
Regards,
Boqun
> This has an obvious downside: it's more complicated.
>
> It has several benefits, I think. It's debuggable without hassle
> (unless someone, accidentally or otherwise, sets aval incorrectly).
> It also allows much longer critical sections to work well, as merely
> being preempted in the middle won't cause an abort any more.
>
> So I'm hoping to understand whether we could make something like this
> work. This whole thing is roughly equivalent to abort-if-migrated
> plus an atomic "if (*aptr == aval) *b = c;" operation.
>
> (I think that, if this worked, we could improve it a bit by making the
> abort operation jump back to the "if (*aptr != aval) goto fail;" code,
> which should reduce the scope for error a bit and also reduces the
> need for extra code paths that only execute on an abort.)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-04 4:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-21 21:14 [RFC PATCH v7 0/7] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-25 23:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-26 3:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-03 12:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 16:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-08-04 5:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-04 4:27 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2016-08-04 5:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-09 16:13 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-10 8:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 17:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 17:33 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 4:54 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-10 8:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 18:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-08-10 16:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 16:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-07-27 15:03 ` Boqun Feng
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 1/4] rseq/param_test: Convert test_data_entry::count to intptr_t Boqun Feng
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 2/4] Restartable sequences: powerpc architecture support Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 3/4] Restartable sequences: Wire up powerpc system call Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-27 15:05 ` [RFC 4/4] Restartable sequences: Add self-tests for PPC Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 2:59 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 4:43 ` Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 7:37 ` [RFC v2] " Boqun Feng
2016-07-28 14:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 13:42 ` [RFC 4/4] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 3:07 ` [RFC 1/4] rseq/param_test: Convert test_data_entry::count to intptr_t Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-28 3:10 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/7] Restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-03 13:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-03 14:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-03 15:45 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-07 15:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-07 23:35 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-09 13:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-09 20:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-09 21:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-09 22:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 7:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 13:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 13:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 14:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 8:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 19:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 19:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 20:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 20:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 21:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 7:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-10 8:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 13:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-10 14:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-10 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 2/7] tracing: instrument restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 3/7] Restartable sequences: ARM 32 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 4/7] Restartable sequences: wire up ARM 32 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 5/7] Restartable sequences: x86 32/64 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 6/7] Restartable sequences: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-21 21:14 ` [RFC PATCH v7 7/7] Restartable sequences: self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
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2016-07-24 3:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-24 18:01 ` Dave Watson
2016-07-25 16:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-11 23:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 1:28 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 3:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 3:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 5:30 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 16:35 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-12 18:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-13 1:28 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-14 15:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-15 0:56 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-15 18:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 19:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-08-12 20:05 ` Dave Watson
2016-08-14 17:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-07-25 18:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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