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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Nicholas Piggin <nicholas.piggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Fix a race between rwsem and the scheduler
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:34:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160830183416.GV10138@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160830165746.GA29218@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 06:57:47PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 08/30, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 03:04:27PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:

> > > But context switch should imply mb() we can rely on?
> >
> > Not sure it should, on x86 switch_mm does a CR3 write and that is
> > serializing, but switch_to() doesn't need to do anything iirc.
> 
> Documentation/memory-barriers.txt says
> 
> 	schedule() and similar imply full memory barriers.
> 
> and I (wrongly?) interpreted this as if this is also true for 2
> different threadds.

I'm not actually sure it does. There is the comment from 8643cda549ca4
which explain the program order guarantees.

But I'm not sure who or what would simply a full smp_mb() when you call
schedule() -- I mean, its true on x86, but that's 'trivial'.

> I mean, I thought that the LOAD/STORE's done by some task can't
> be re-ordered with LOAD/STORE's done by another task which was
> running on the same CPU. Wrong?

If so, I'm not sure how :/

So smp_mb__before_spinlock() stops stores from @prev, and the ACQUIRE
from spin_lock(&rq->lock) stops both loads/stores from @next, but afaict
nothing stops the loads from @prev seeing stores from @next.

Also not sure this matters though, if they're threads in the same
process its a data race already and nobody cares. If they're not threads
in the same process, they're separated by address space and can't 'see'
each other anyway.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-30 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-30  8:49 Balbir Singh
2016-08-30  9:13 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-08-30 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-30 13:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-08-30 14:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-30 16:57       ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-08-30 18:34         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-08-30 21:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-08-31  7:18             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 10:56               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-08-31 13:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 21:47               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-09-01  6:49                 ` Balbir Singh
2016-09-01  6:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-01 14:17                   ` Boqun Feng
2016-09-01 15:33                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-30 21:25     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-08-31  7:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 10:55         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-08-31  3:41   ` Balbir Singh
2016-08-31  7:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 10:17       ` Balbir Singh
2016-08-31 10:57       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-09-01  1:48       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2016-09-01 12:16         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2016-08-30 12:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-08-31  3:25   ` Balbir Singh

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