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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1 06/14] bus1: util - queue utility library
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:43:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161027164312.GI3175@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161026191810.12275-7-dh.herrmann@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 09:18:02PM +0200, David Herrmann wrote:

> A bus1 message queue is a FIFO, i.e., messages are linearly ordered by
> the time they were sent. Moreover, atomic delivery of messages to
> multiple queues are supported, without any global synchronization, i.e.,
> the order of message delivery is consistent across queues.
> 
> Messages can be destined for multiple queues, hence, we need to be
> careful that all queues get a consistent order of incoming messages.

So I read that to mean that if A and B both send a multi-cast message to
C and D, the messages will appear in the same order for both C and D.

Why is this important? It seem that this multi-cast ordering generates
much of the complexity of this patch while this Changelog fails to
explain why this is a desired property.


> We
> define the concept of `global order' to provide a basic set of
> guarantees. This global order is a partial order on the set of all
> messages. The order is defined as:
> 
> 1) If a message B was queued *after* a message A, then: A < B
> 
> 2) If a message B was queued *after* a message A was dequeued,
>    then: A < B
> 
> 3) If a message B was dequeued *after* a message A on the same queue,
>    then: A < B
> 
>     (Note: Causality is honored. `after' and `before' do not refer to
>      the same task, nor the same queue, but rather any kind of
>      synchronization between the two operations.)
> 
> The queue object implements this global order in a lockless fashion. It
> solely relies on a distributed clock on each queue. Each message to be
> sent causes a clock tick on the local clock and on all destination
> clocks. Furthermore, all clocks are synchronized, meaning they're
> fast-forwarded in case they're behind the highest of all participating
> peers. No global state tracking is involved.

Yet the code does compares on more than just timestamps. Why are these
secondary (and even tertiary) ordering required?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-10-27 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-26 19:17 [RFC v1 00/14] Bus1 Kernel Message Bus David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:17 ` [RFC v1 01/14] bus1: add bus1(7) man-page David Herrmann
2016-10-27 23:12   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-10-26 19:17 ` [RFC v1 02/14] bus1: provide stub cdev /dev/bus1 David Herrmann
2016-10-26 23:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-10-26 23:54     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-27  9:11       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-27 15:25         ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-27 16:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-27 16:39             ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-29 22:13           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-26 19:17 ` [RFC v1 03/14] bus1: util - active reference utility library David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 04/14] bus1: util - fixed list " David Herrmann
2016-10-27 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 12:48     ` David Herrmann
2016-10-27 12:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-27 13:31         ` David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 05/14] bus1: util - pool " David Herrmann
2016-10-27 12:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 12:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 15:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 15:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 06/14] bus1: util - queue " David Herrmann
2016-10-27 15:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 16:43   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-10-28 11:33     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-28 13:47         ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:58           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-28 14:33             ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 16:49               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 07/14] bus1: tracking user contexts David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 08/14] bus1: implement peer management context David Herrmann
2016-10-28 12:06   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:18     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:21       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:05   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:23     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:54       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 09/14] bus1: provide transaction context for multicasts David Herrmann
2016-10-28 14:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 10/14] bus1: add handle management David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 11/14] bus1: implement message transmission David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 12/14] bus1: hook up file-operations David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 13/14] bus1: limit and protect resources David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 14/14] bus1: basic user-space kselftests David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:39 ` [RFC v1 00/14] Bus1 Kernel Message Bus Linus Torvalds
2016-10-26 20:34   ` David Herrmann
2016-10-27  0:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-10-29 21:04       ` Josh Triplett
2016-11-02 14:45       ` David Herrmann
2017-01-30 22:11     ` Pavel Machek
2016-10-27 11:10 ` Michael Kerrisk
2016-10-28 13:11 ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:37   ` Tom Gundersen

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