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From: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Dave Gerlach <d-gerlach@ti.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Shawn Guo <shawnguo@kernel.org>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
	Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Add memremap executable mapping and extend drivers/misc/sram.c
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 10:43:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161107174309.GC2428@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161107110444.GA23750@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>

* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> [161107 04:05]:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 01:56:09PM -0500, Dave Gerlach wrote:
> > There are several instances when one would want to execute out of on-chip
> > SRAM, such as PM code on ARM platforms, so once again revisiting this
> > series to allow that in a generic manner. Seems that having a solution for
> > allowing SRAM to be mapped as executable will help clean up PM code on several
> > ARM platforms that are using ARM internal __arm_ioremap_exec API
> > and also open the door for PM support on new platforms like TI AM335x and
> > AM437x. This was last sent as RFC here [1] and based on comments from Russell
> > King and Arnd Bergmann has been rewritten to use memremap API rather than
> > ioremap API, as executable iomem does not really make sense.
> 
> This is better, as it avoids the issue that I pointed out last time
> around, but I'm still left wondering about the approach.
> 
> Sure, having executable SRAM mappings sounds nice and easy, but we're
> creating WX mappings.  Folk have spent a while improving the security of
> the kernel by ensuring that there are no WX mappings, and this series
> reintroduces them.  The sad thing is that any WX mapping which appears
> at a known address can be exploited.
> 
> "A known address" can be something that appears to be random, but ends
> up being the same across the same device type... or can be discovered
> by some means.  Eg, consider if the WX mapping is dynamically allocated,
> but occurs at exactly the same point at boot - and if this happens with
> android phones, consider how many of those are out there.  Or if the
> address of the WX mapping is available via some hardware register.
> Or...
> 
> See Kees Cook's slides at last years kernel summit -
> 	https://outflux.net/slides/2015/ks/security.pdf
> 
> So, I think avoiding WX mappings - mappings should be either W or X but
> not both simultaneously (see page 19.)
> 
> I guess what I'm angling at is that we don't want memremap_exec(), but
> we need an API which changes the permissions of a SRAM mapping between
> allowing writes and allowing execution.

That should work just fine. So first copy the code to SRAM,
then set it read-only and exectuable. Note that we need to
restore the state of SRAM every time when returning from
off mode during idle on some SoCs.

Regards,

Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-07 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-27 18:56 Dave Gerlach
2016-10-27 18:56 ` [PATCH 1/3] ARM: memremap: implement arch_memremap_exec/exec_nocache Dave Gerlach
2016-10-27 18:56 ` [PATCH 2/3] memremap: add MEMREMAP_EXEC and MEMREMAP_EXEC_NOCACHE flags Dave Gerlach
2016-10-27 18:56 ` [PATCH 3/3] misc: SRAM: Add option to map SRAM to allow code execution Dave Gerlach
2016-11-05  2:47 ` [PATCH 0/3] Add memremap executable mapping and extend drivers/misc/sram.c Alexandre Belloni
2016-11-07 11:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-11-07 17:43   ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2016-11-07 21:34     ` Dave Gerlach

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