mirror of https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>, Chen Yucong <slaoub@gmail.com>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Anna-Maria Gleixner <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86/mm/KASLR: Remap GDTs at fixed location
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:35:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170107073553.GA13565@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJcbSZEDfL=AWmgxAnbzmnXFMnvF68_Tp_34Dt+X1o7WE9bffw@mail.gmail.com>


* Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com> wrote:

> > No, and I had the way this worked on 64-bit wrong.  LTR requires an
> > available TSS and changes it to busy.  So here are my thoughts on how
> > this should work:
> >
> > Let's get rid of any connection between this code and KASLR.  Every
> > time KASLR makes something work differently, a kitten turns all
> > Schrödinger on us.  This is moving the GDT to the fixmap, plain and
> > simple.  For now, make it one page per CPU and don't worry about the
> > GDT limit.
> 
> I am all for this change but that's more significant.
> 
> Ingo: What do you think about that?

I agree with Andy: as I alluded to earlier as well this should be an unconditional 
change (tested properly, etc.) that robustifies the GDT mapping for everyone. That 
KASLR kernels improve too is a happy side effect!

> > On 32-bit, we're going to have to make the fixmap GDT be read-write because 
> > making it read-only will break double-fault handling.
> >
> > On 64-bit, we can use your trick of temporarily mapping the GDT read-write 
> > every time we load TR, which should happen very rarely. Alternatively, we can 
> > reload the *GDT* every time we reload TR, which should be comparably slow.  
> > This is going to regress performance in the extremely rare case where KVM 
> > exits to a process that uses ioperm() (I think), but I doubt anyone cares.  Or 
> > maybe we could arrange to never reload TR when GDT points at the fixmap by 
> > having KVM set the host GDT to the direct version and letting KVM's code to 
> > reload the GDT switch to the fixmap copy.

Please check whether the LTR write generates a page fault to a RO PTE even if the 
busy bit is already set. LTR is pretty slow which suggests that it's microcode, 
and microcode is usually not sloppy about such things: i.e. LTR would only 
generate an unconditional write if there's a compatibility dependency on it. But I 
could easily be wrong ...

> > If we need a quirk to keep the fixmap copy read-write, so be it.
> >
> > None of this should depend on KASLR.  IMO it should happen unconditionally.
> 
> I looked back at the fixmap, and I can see a way it could be done
> (using NR_CPUS) like the other fixmap ranges. It would limit the
> number of cpus to 512 (there is 2M memory left on fixmap on the
> default configuration). That's if we never add any other fixmap on
> x64. I don't know if it is an acceptable number and if the fixmap
> region could be increased. (128 if we do your kvm trick, of course).
> 
> Ingo: What do you think?

I think we should scale the fixmap size flexibly with NR_CPUs on 64-bit, and we 
should limit CPUs on 32-bit to a reasonable value.

I.e. let's just do it, if we run into problems it's all solvable AFAICS.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-07  7:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-04 22:16 Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05  8:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-05 15:08   ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-01-05 16:40     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 18:56       ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-01-05 19:00         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06 17:44       ` Borislav Petkov
2017-01-06 18:04         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 16:39   ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06  6:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-05 17:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-05 17:54   ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 18:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-05 18:35       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 18:58     ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-01-05 19:03       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 20:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-05 21:08           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 21:19             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-05 21:58               ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06  6:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-06 18:03                   ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06 21:59                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-06 22:54                       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06 23:39                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-07  7:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-07 15:58                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-07  7:35                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-01-07 16:02                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-09 22:32                           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-10 10:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-10 17:13                               ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-05 23:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-01-05 23:16             ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06  2:34             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-06 18:02               ` Thomas Garnier
2017-01-06 21:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-07  7:46                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-06  6:45       ` Ingo Molnar

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20170107073553.GA13565@gmail.com \
    --to=mingo@kernel.org \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=anna-maria@linutronix.de \
    --cc=arjan@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=bigeasy@linutronix.de \
    --cc=boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com \
    --cc=bp@alien8.de \
    --cc=dave@sr71.net \
    --cc=hpa@zytor.com \
    --cc=jgross@suse.com \
    --cc=keescook@chromium.org \
    --cc=kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk \
    --cc=luto@kernel.org \
    --cc=mingo@redhat.com \
    --cc=mpe@ellerman.id.au \
    --cc=paul.gortmaker@windriver.com \
    --cc=richard@nod.at \
    --cc=slaoub@gmail.com \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=thgarnie@google.com \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    --cc=yamada.masahiro@socionext.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox

Powered by JetHome