From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: jiangshanlai@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is it really safe to use workqueues to drive expedited grace periods?
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:16:00 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170214001600.GZ30506@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170211023541.GB19050@mtj.duckdns.org>
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:35:41AM +0900, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Paul.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 01:21:58PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > So RCU's expedited grace periods have been using workqueues for a
> > little while, and things seem to be working. But as usual, I worry...
> > Is this use subject to some sort of deadlock where RCU's workqueue cannot
> > start running until after a grace period completes, but that grace
> > period is the one needing the workqueue? Note that there are ways to
> > set up your kernel so that all RCU grace periods are expedited.
> >
> > Should I be worried? If not, what prevents this from being a problem,
> > especially given that workqueue handlers are allowed to wait for RCU
> > grace periods to complete?
>
> A per-cpu (normal) workqueue's concurrency is regulated automatically
> so that there are at least one worker running for the worker pool on a
> given CPU.
>
> Let's say there are two work items queued on a workqueue. The first
> one is something which will do synchronize_rcu() and the second is the
> expedited grace period work item. When the first one runs
> synchronize_rcu(), it'd block. If there are no other work items
> running at the time, workqueue will dispatch another worker so that
> there's at least one actively running, which in this case will be the
> expedited rcu grace period work item.
>
> The dispatching of a new worker can be delayed by two things - memory
> pressure preventing creation of a new worker and the workqueue hitting
> maximum concurrency limit.
>
> If expedited RCU grace period is something that memory reclaim path
> may depend on, the workqueue that it executes on should have
> WQ_MEM_RECLAIM set, which will guarantee that there's at least one
> worker (across all CPUs) which is ready to serve the work items on
> that workqueue regardless of memory pressure.
>
> The latter, concurrency limit, would only matter if the RCU work items
> use system_wq. system_wq's concurrency limit is very high (512 per
> CPU), but it is theoretically possible to fill all up with work items
> doing synchronize_rcu() with the expedited RCU work item scheduled
> behind it. The system would already be in a very messed up state
> outside the RCU situation tho.
Thank you for the information! So if I am to continue using workqueues
for expedited RCU grace periods, I believe that need to do the following:
1. Use alloc_workqueue() to create my own WQ_MEM_RECLAIM
workqueue.
2. Rework my workqueue handler to avoid blocking waiting for
the expedited grace period to complete. I should be able
to do a small number of timed wait, but if I actually
wait for the grace period to complete, I might end up
hogging the reserved items. (Or does my workqueue supply
them for me? If so, so much the better!)
3. Concurrency would not be a problem -- there can be no more
four work elements in flight across both possible flavors
of expedited grace periods.
Anything I am missing here?
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-02-14 0:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-10 21:21 Paul E. McKenney
2017-02-11 2:35 ` Tejun Heo
2017-02-14 0:16 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-03-03 19:30 ` Tejun Heo
2017-03-04 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
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