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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Dongsu Park <dongsu@endocode.com>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@googlemail.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Alban Crequy <alban.crequy@gmail.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Phil Estes <estesp@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/1] shiftfs: uid/gid shifting bind mount
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:27:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170217202749.GA15841@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170217175118.GF29622@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 05:51:18PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 09:24:40AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > > What happens when somebody comes along and creates the damn thing on 
> > > the underlying fs?  _Not_ via your code, that is - using the 
> > > underlying fs mounted elsewhere.
> > 
> > Point taken.  This, I think fixes the dcache revalidation issue.
> 
> No, it doesn't.  Consider a local filesystem.  Those do not have any
> ->d_revalidate() - the kernel bloody well knows what happens to
> directories.  If e.g. a previously absent file gets created, it's
> been done by the kernel itself and dentry has been made positive; if
> a previously existing file has been removed, dentry has either become
> negative or, if it had been pinned (e.g. file was opened at the time,
> or your code had been holding a reference to it, etc.) it will be unhashed
> so that new lookups won't find it, etc.  No need to revalidate anything.
> 
> Now, consider your code.  You've done a lookup in the underlying fs.
> It has, at the time, come negative, so you have your (negative) dentry
> pointing to that on the underlying fs.  If somebody comes and does
> e.g. mkdir() via your fs, it will call vfs_mkdir() on the underlying
> sucker, hopefully turning it positive and associate a new in-core inode
> with your previously negative dentry.  But what happens if mkdir is done
> via underlying fs, or via another instance of yours over the same tree?
> Underlying dentry goes positive; yours is still negative.  The underlying
> fs either doesn't have ->d_revalidate() or, if there is one it says that
> the underlying dentry is valid, thank you very much, no need to invalidate
> anything.
> 
> In other words, your patch does nothing for object getting created.

I thought assumption here is that underlying subtree is not changed
outside of shiftfs. IIUC, overlayfs has the same assumption.

Two shiftfs instances writing to same dir will be a problem though.

Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-17 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-04 19:18 [RFC 0/1] shiftfs: uid/gid shifting filesystem (s_user_ns version) James Bottomley
2017-02-04 19:19 ` [RFC 1/1] shiftfs: uid/gid shifting bind mount James Bottomley
2017-02-05  7:51   ` Amir Goldstein
2017-02-06  1:18     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-06  6:59       ` Amir Goldstein
2017-02-06 14:41         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-14 23:03       ` Vivek Goyal
2017-02-14 23:45         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-15 14:17           ` Vivek Goyal
2017-02-16 15:51             ` James Bottomley
2017-02-16 16:42               ` Vivek Goyal
2017-02-16 16:58                 ` James Bottomley
2017-02-17  1:57                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-17  8:39                     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-02-17 17:19                     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-20  4:24                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-22 12:01                         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-06  3:25   ` J. R. Okajima
2017-02-06  6:38     ` Amir Goldstein
2017-02-06 16:29       ` James Bottomley
2017-02-06  6:46     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-06 14:50       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-02-06 15:18         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-06 15:38           ` lkml
2017-02-06 17:32             ` James Bottomley
2017-02-06 21:52           ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-02-07  0:10             ` James Bottomley
2017-02-07  1:35               ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-02-07 19:01                 ` James Bottomley
2017-02-07 19:47                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-02-06 16:24       ` J. R. Okajima
2017-02-21  0:48         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-21  2:57           ` J. R. Okajima
2017-02-21  4:07             ` James Bottomley
2017-02-21  4:34               ` J. R. Okajima
2017-02-07  9:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-02-07  9:39     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-02-07  9:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-02-07 16:37     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-07 17:59       ` Amir Goldstein
2017-02-07 18:10         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-02-07 19:02           ` James Bottomley
2017-02-07 19:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-02-07 20:05               ` James Bottomley
2017-02-07 21:01                 ` Amir Goldstein
2017-02-07 22:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-02-07 23:42                     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-08  6:44                       ` Amir Goldstein
2017-02-08 11:45                         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2017-02-08 14:57                         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-08 15:15                         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-08  1:54               ` Josh Triplett
2017-02-08 15:22                 ` James Bottomley
2017-02-09 10:36                   ` Josh Triplett
2017-02-09 15:34                     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-13 10:15                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-15  9:33                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-02-15  9:37                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-15 10:04                             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-02-07 18:20         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-07 19:48           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-02-15 20:34   ` Vivek Goyal
2017-02-16 15:56     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-17  2:55       ` Al Viro
2017-02-17 17:34         ` James Bottomley
2017-02-17 20:35           ` Vivek Goyal
2017-02-19  3:24             ` James Bottomley
2017-02-20 19:26               ` Vivek Goyal
2017-02-21  0:38                 ` James Bottomley
2017-02-17  2:29   ` Al Viro
2017-02-17 17:24     ` James Bottomley
2017-02-17 17:51       ` Al Viro
2017-02-17 20:27         ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2017-02-17 20:50         ` James Bottomley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-05-12 19:06 [RFC 0/1] shiftfs: uid/gid shifting filesystem James Bottomley
2016-05-12 19:07 ` [RFC 1/1] shiftfs: uid/gid shifting bind mount James Bottomley
2016-05-16 19:41   ` Serge Hallyn
2016-05-17  2:28     ` James Bottomley
2016-05-17  3:47       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-17 10:23         ` James Bottomley
2016-05-17 20:59           ` James Bottomley
2016-05-19  2:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-05-19 10:53               ` James Bottomley

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