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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/4] printk: introduce printing kernel thread
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:12:42 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170323051242.GE2519@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170322164058.GE4008@pathway.suse.cz>

On (03/22/17 17:40), Petr Mladek wrote:
[..]
> > +void console_printing_thread_off(void)
> > +{
> > +	printk_kthread_disable++;
> > +	barrier();
> > +}
> > +
> > +/* This re-enables printk_kthread offloading. */
> > +void console_printing_thread_on(void)
> > +{
> > +	barrier();
> > +	printk_kthread_disable--;
> > +}
> 
> I really like that these functions are re-entrant. It will make
> our life much easier.
>
> Just a small nitpicking. I would prefer to use the name
> console_printk_kthread_off()/on(). I was several times confused
> by "printing_thread" when searching the sources. The common
> sub-string "printk_kthread" for all the related stuff would
> make my life easier ;-)

well, I guess I can rename it.

one observation here is that those functions neither turn off nor
disable printk_kthread. we mark the point after which we will not
wake_up printk_kthread, but that does not mean that printk_kthread
is already or soon will be inactive. it actually can be in running
state. so the name

console_do_not_offload_printing_to_printk_kthread_unless_its_already_running()

will describe it better.  :)

---

overall the whole need of off()/on() sections is slightly worrisome.
there are probably not so many cases when we need to forcibly avoid
wake_up(printk_kthread) calls, but we don't have any checks/mechanisms
to verify it (like, for example, might_sleep()). so it's case by case.


> Just an idea. printk() and printk_deferred() behave the same way
> when the kthread is enabled. I wonder if we should make it more
> explicit by using names like:
> 
>    printk_deferred_mode_disabled++;
>    printk_deferred_mode_off();
>    printk_deferred_mode_on();

hm, I certainly see what you meant here, but I suspect this naming may
be a bit misleading - "so printk_deferred_mode_off() disables printk_deferred()?"


> Also it is an already know term and a more generic name. This API
> is used globally while the kthread is an implementation detail.
> The offloading might be done another way in the future.

yes, this is why I avoided mentioning "printk_kthread" (directly)
in API naming. console_printing_thread is sort of neutral (well,
sort of). not insisting that the naming is perfect, of course.


> Finally, I think about using this variable instead of the ugly
> LOGLEVEL_SCHED. The catch is that LOGLEVEL_SCHED forces
> the deferred mode while these functions force the opposite.

hm, sorry. not sure I see how we can do this.
LOGLEVEL_SCHED hack is... hacky. yes.

when we examine `printk_kthread_disable' we decide wether we must
	a) wake_up() printk_kthread
or
	b) do console_trylock()

the LOGLEVEL_SCHED thing is completely different tho. it tells us that
neither of the above is safe -- both wake_up() and console_trylock()
can potentially call into the scheduler. so I'm not sure we can easily
replace LOGLEVEL_SCHED with `printk_kthread_disable'.

	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-23  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-06 12:45 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-06 12:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-22 16:40   ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-23  5:12     ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2017-03-23 10:40       ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-24  5:20         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-06 12:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/4] printk: offload printing from wake_up_klogd_work_func() Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-17 12:19   ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-18  9:57     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-20 16:09       ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-21  4:01         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-23  9:00         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-23 12:11           ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-06 12:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/4] kernel, power: disable printk_kthread in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-22 15:38   ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-06 12:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/4] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-22 15:43   ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-22 16:40     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-22 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/4] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-23  4:09   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-23  8:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-24  1:59       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-24  4:43         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-24 14:43         ` Petr Mladek
2017-03-25  0:18           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-23 12:01   ` Petr Mladek
2017-04-03 11:53 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-04-04 12:59   ` Petr Mladek

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