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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rjw@rjwysocki.net, juri.lelli@arm.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] sched/rt: add utilization tracking
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:30:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170531103017.3voouif2ixwbpbyn@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170531094047.p3kkmj3xnhvunabu@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 11:40:47AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > schedutil governor relies on cfs_rq's util_avg to choose the OPP when cfs
> > tasks are running. When the CPU is overloaded by cfs and rt tasks, cfs tasks
> > are preempted by rt tasks and in this case util_avg reflects the remaining
> > capacity that is used by cfs tasks but not what cfs tasks want to use. In such
> > case, schedutil can select a lower OPP when cfs task runs whereas the CPU is
> > overloaded. In order to have a more accurate view of the utilization of the
> > CPU, we track the utilization that is used by RT tasks.
> > DL tasks are not taken into account as they have their own utilization
> > tracking mecanism.
> 
> Well, the DL tracking is fairly pessimistic; it assumes all DL tasks
> will consume their total budget, which will rarely, if ever, happen.
> 
> So I suspect it might well be worth it to also track DL activity for the
> purpose of compensating CFS.

Again, it seems I have this CPPC/HWP crud firmly stuck in my brain.
Because I was thinking:

	min_freq = dl_util
	avg_freq = dl_avg + rt_avg + cfs_util


But given we don't actually have that split... meh.

> In fact, I don't think you particularly care about RT here, as anything
> !CFS that preempts it, including those interrupts you mentioned. Which
> gets us back to what rt_avg is.
> 
> > We don't use rt_avg which doesn't have the same dynamic as PELT and which
> > can include IRQ time that are also accounted in cfs task utilization
> 
> Well, if rt_avg includes IRQ time, then that IRQ time is not part of
> the task clock.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-31 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-24  9:00 [PATCH 0/2] track rt rq utilization Vincent Guittot
2017-05-24  9:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sched/rt: add utilization tracking Vincent Guittot
2017-05-30 15:50   ` Morten Rasmussen
2017-05-30 16:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2017-05-31  7:57       ` Morten Rasmussen
2017-05-31  9:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-31 10:30     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-05-31 10:41       ` Juri Lelli
2017-05-31 11:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-31 11:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2017-05-24  9:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] cpufreq/schedutil: add rt " Vincent Guittot

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