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From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Vovo Yang <vovoy@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Threads stuck in zap_pid_ns_processes()
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:43:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170601214339.GB8803@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tw3z8pq1.fsf@xmission.com>

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 02:36:38PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:08:58PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> > I think you nailed it. If I drop CLONE_NEWPID from the reproducer I get
> >> > a zombie process.
> >> >
> >> > I guess the only question left is if zap_pid_ns_processes() should (or could)
> >> > somehow detect that situation and return instead of waiting forever.
> >> > What do you think ?
> >> 
> >> Any chance you can point me at the chromium code that is performing the
> >> ptrace?
> >> 
> >> I want to conduct a review of the kernel semantics to see if the current
> >> semantics make it unnecessarily easy to get into hang situations.  If
> >> the semantics make it really easy to get into a hang situation I want
> >> to see if there is anything we can do to delicately change the semantics
> >> to avoid the hangs without breaking existing userspace.
> >> 
> > The internal bug should be accessible to you.
> >
> > https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=721298&desc=2
> >
> > It has some additional information, and points to the following code in Chrome.
> >
> > https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/breakpad/src/client/linux/minidump_writer/linux_ptrace_dumper.cc?rcl=47e51739fd00badbceba5bc26b8abc8bbd530989&l=85
> >
> > With the information we have, I don't really have a good idea what we could or
> > should change in Chrome to make the problem disappear, so I just concluded that
> > we'll have to live with the forever-sleeping task.
> 
> I believe I see what is happening.  The code makes the assumption that a
> thread will stay stopped and will not go away once ptrace attach
> completes.
> 
> Unfortunately if someone sends SIGKILL to the process or exec sends
> SIGKILL to the individual thread then PTRACE_DETACH will fail.
> 
> At which point you can use waitpid to reap the zombie and detach
> from the thread.
> 
> So I think the forever-sleeping can be fixed with something as simple
> as changing ResumeThread to say:
> 
> // Resumes a thread by detaching from it.
> static bool ResumeThread(pid_t pid) {
>   if (sys_ptrace(PTRACE_DETACH, pid, NULL, NULL) >= 0)
>   	return true;
>   /* Someone killed the thread? */
>   return waitpid(pid, NULL, 0) == pid;
> }
> 
> It almost certainly makes sense to fix PTRACE_DETACH in the kernel to
> allow this case to work.  And odds are good that we could make that
> change without breaking anyone.  So it is worth a try.
> 

Do I interpret this correctly as "the above code should work, but currently
doesn't" ?

Thanks,
Guenter

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-01 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-11 17:11 Guenter Roeck
2017-05-11 17:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-11 18:35   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-11 20:23     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-11 20:48       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-11 21:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-11 20:21   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-11 21:25     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-11 22:47       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-11 23:19         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-12  9:30           ` Vovo Yang
2017-05-12 13:26             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-12 16:52               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-12 17:33                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-12 17:55                   ` [REVIEW][PATCH] pid_ns: Sleep in TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE in zap_pid_ns_processes Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-12 19:33                     ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-12 19:43                   ` Threads stuck in zap_pid_ns_processes() Guenter Roeck
2017-05-12 20:03                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-13 14:34                       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-05-13 18:21                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-01 17:08                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-01 18:45                           ` Guenter Roeck
2017-06-01 19:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-01 21:43                               ` Guenter Roeck [this message]
2017-06-02  1:06                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-12  3:42         ` Eric W. Biederman

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