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From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] scheduler tinification
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:14:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170608191429.2e454aa9@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170608075936.426zbwb63drsemgh@gmail.com>

> As users ask for more features the the hardware capabilities will increase 
> dramatically and home-grown microcontroller derived code plus minimal OSes will be 
> replaced by a 'real' OS. Because both developers and users will demand IPv6 
> compatibility, or Bluetooth connectivity, or storage support, or any random range 
> of features we have in the Linux kernel.

There are already tiny OS's with that feature set but they don't feel
Unixish and aren't quite so fun to program.

> Even taking the 1MB size at face value (which I don't: a networking enabled system 
> can probably not function very well with just 1MB of RAM) - the RAM-starved 1 MB 
> system today will effectively be a 2 MB system in 2 years.

Probably not - I may be wrong but power and what you can and can't put on
the same die are likely to mean that small RAM devices are here for a
while and in fact the CFO will be ordering the engineers to get it in
less RAM to save 20 cents a unit.

> And yes, I don't claim Moore's law will go on forever and I'm oversimplifying - 
> maybe things are slowing down and it will only be 1.5 MB, but the point remains: 
> the importance of your 20kb .text savings will become a 10-15k .text savings in 
> just 2 years. In 8 years today's 1 MB system will be a 32 MB system if that trend 
> holds up.

Power means it's more likely IMHO that todays 256K RAM system will in a
few years be either a 64K RAM system or have tons of persistent memory.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-08 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-06 23:24 Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] cpuset/sched: cpuset makes sense for SMP only Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] sched: omit stop_sched_class when !SMP Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] futex: make PI support optional Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] sched/deadline: move dl related code out of sched/core.c Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] sched/rt: move rt " Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] sched/deadline: make it configurable Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] rtmutex: compatibility wrappers when no RT support is configured Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-06 23:24 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] sched/rt: make it configurable Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-07 16:00 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] scheduler tinification Ingo Molnar
2017-06-07 17:09   ` Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-07 18:49     ` Alan Cox
2017-06-07 21:15       ` Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-07 21:53         ` Alan Cox
2017-06-08  7:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-06-08 18:14       ` Alan Cox [this message]
2017-06-08 20:16       ` Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-11  9:23         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-06-11 15:26           ` Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-11  9:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-06-11 16:45           ` Nicolas Pitre
2017-06-13  7:12             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-06-13 12:29               ` Nicolas Pitre

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